(08-27-2021, 11:48 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-27-2021, 03:11 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: White privilege is real. It doesn't solve every personal problem; it can't offset mental illness, criminality, stupidity, laziness, addiction, isolation, or poverty. The absolute color bar that ensured that a top-notch black professor could not teach in a "white" university or matriculate there as a student is no more. If you know something about what I have, Asperger's syndrome, then you would recognize as I do that it can mess up one's life badly. In the fantastic event that the cure for my personal problems in life could have been solved with "melanin therapy" that would have made me black, then I would have taken it. I'd rather have good facial recognition (its lack is a big social problem), have facial expressions that match my words (which makes my credibility suspect), and deliver me from some troublesome eccentricities that can make me seem an obnoxious twit, then I would. With Asperger's I am nothing more than my intellect. I would never give that up, as that is all that allows me to have any individuality at all. 

If you are a decent white person, then you do not need white privilege. If you want to pretend that you are better than some black person because you are white, then you need white privilege to salve your hurt feelings. The KKK offers that for expensive dues and certain expectations. One Imperial Wizard expects members of his Klan to buy an insurance policy from a shady outfit that he owns and operates. That insurance company does not operate as a normal life-insurance company does; it is the slush fund for the Grand Dragon who lives like a king. On the other hand you can be an extreme low-life and economic loser, even an ex-con, and feel yourself superior to "uppity n---ers" who don't know their "rightful" (that is, subordinate) place in the grand scheme of things.   

White privilege only applies to some white people and the majority of them are Liberal Democrats these days. Take Pelosi for example, it's hard to deny that she's not related to white privilege. She looks like white privilege, acts like white privilege and talks like white privilege. I'm pretty sure she functions and controls people like the white privileged too. As far as advantage, we have advantages poorer people like you and most immigrants these days. We don't have a language barrier or parents clinging to old traditions related to where ever they came from and so forth. We can afford computers, laptops, smart phones and cable. I agree that they're all a bunch of pompous shits who You go out in the real world and talk with some real people and you will learn that very few whites associate themselves and associate whatever they own or accomplished with white privilege. A wife of a friend who tends to repeat what she hears on Democratic related channels said the same thing to me a while ago. Like you, she repeats Democratic talking points without using any thought. I don't know if she was aware of my intelligence level or not. I mean, I talk like an average guy most of the time but I am capable of have a more intelligent and sophisticated conversation or college level discussion which she learned rather quickly.

(08-27-2021, 11:48 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: White privilege only applies to some white people and the majority of them are Liberal Democrats these days. Take Pelosi for example, it's hard to deny that she's not related to white privilege. She looks like white privilege, acts like white privilege and talks like white privilege. I'm pretty sure she functions and controls people like the white privileged too.

Classic-Xer Wrote:As far as advantage, we have advantages poorer people like you and most immigrants these days. We don't have a language barrier or parents clinging to old traditions related to where ever they came from and so forth. We can afford computers, laptops, smart phones and cable. I agree that they're all a bunch of pompous shits who You go out in the real world and talk with some real people and you will learn that very few whites associate themselves and associate whatever they own or accomplished with white privilege.

Classic-Xer Wrote:A wife of a friend who tends to repeat what she hears on Democratic related channels said the same thing to me a while ago. Like you, she repeats Democratic talking points without using any thought. I don't know if she was aware of my intelligence level or not. I mean, I talk like an average guy most of the time but I am capable of have a more intelligent and sophisticated conversation or college level discussion which she learned rather quickly.

(08-28-2021, 11:55 AM)David Horn Wrote: Well, she's a Silent, and still thinks like one whether she chooses to or not.  Her white privilege is the result of 8 decades if life -- the formative 2 in the pre-Civil Rights era.  All in all, she' pretty progressive on race, but the wiring still shows from time to time.

(08-28-2021, 11:55 AM)David Horn Wrote: You spew what the right serves-up daily.  Pot-kettle-black.

(08-28-2021, 10:10 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Privilege as a reward for high achievement is to be expected. With very high achievement come special perks, like high income and access to spectacular opportunities for emotional and intellectual enrichment.  Consider the military: officers are expected to toe the line in many ways, so there's a lot of stuff they can't get away with. But above a certain rank one lives very well. 

So if one is at the top of the game and one must travel, then one gets to stay at 4-star hotels instead of Motel 6 or Super 8. In the latter two one is probably traveling across country between Atlanta and Denver or Dallas and Grand Rapids and is tired enough that the only desirable perk is a continental breakfast that will save time. 

She's the Speaker of the House, dammit! Just think of what goes along with the position. She has access to classified information that you can't imagine... which explains why the person who stole her laptop could get life imprisonment just for that. 

Abuse the privilege and you lose the basis of the privilege. So you are a top-notch singer for a couple decades and your voice goes bad. Bye, bye, good life! Farewell, four-star hotels!

White privilege, as I have found, is mostly convenience. I'm less likely to be stopped. I will never be questioned about "driving while black" near where I live. (OK, the black physician in our town... well, the cops know about him and leave him alone). If I were black I would do much differently, like doing all shopping except for groceries and perhaps some items of clothing (shoes, especially) on line. 

(OK, if you are white and have a car with Vermont license plates and you are driving in certain parts of Hartford, Connecticut, then you are probably there for drugs. Tough luck, white doper in a black neighborhood!) Drug use is an obvious abuse of white privilege. White people use more drugs, use worse drugs, and get away with it longer.

(08-28-2021, 05:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-28-2021, 11:55 AM)David Horn Wrote: Well, she's a Silent, and still thinks like one whether she chooses to or not.  Her white privilege is the result of 8 decades if life -- the formative 2 in the pre-Civil Rights era.  All in all, she' pretty progressive on race, but the wiring still shows from time to time.

White privilege is only part of the problem. Today, we have black privilege and brown privilege causing problems too.

Quote:I mean, look at the Obama's and all the special protections they have today.

Quote:Yes, she seems pretty progressive on race and social policy but she's rich and she's connected the the white privileged who still control the strings and control (pick and choose) the candidates and it's very clear that they're not interested in backing or advancing the best or the strongest politicians/representatives these days.

Quote:I know this goes against the blue narrative but they are what's left of the white right aka white supremacists today. I don't hate you Dave. Of the group, I've always respected you the most as a person. It's to bad, the white right and the modern American Right are eventually going to go to blows and people like you are going to find themselves caught in the middle of it. Fortunately, you live in a safe place so keep your mouth shut and your head down and you'll be fine. Good Luck. Welcome to the 4T.

Quote:I don't want you thinking that I'm in the loop because I'm not in the loop. All I've been doing is using logic and simply sharing my logical conclusions. So far, my logical conclusions have been more accurate than Eric's personal  interpretations of the stars. But so far, the two of us have been on the same page about what lays ahead. We both predict a major reckoning. We differ on which side is going to prevail and which side is going to end up being stuck with the shitty end of the stick. Just so you know, the GOP does not represent the American Right.

Quote:The American Right supported Donald Trump. The GOP supported Joe Biden in the last election and doing whatever it has to keep itself in power. I saw Lindsey Graham talking to Hannity the other day. He looked/spoke like a guy who had an invisible noose around his neck. So, it's not just the Democrats who are in trouble, the GOP are in trouble too.

(08-28-2021, 07:57 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(08-28-2021, 05:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-28-2021, 11:55 AM)David Horn Wrote: Well, she's a Silent, and still thinks like one whether she chooses to or not.  Her white privilege is the result of 8 decades if life -- the formative 2 in the pre-Civil Rights era.  All in all, she' pretty progressive on race, but the wiring still shows from time to time.

White privilege is only part of the problem. Today, we have black privilege and brown privilege causing problems too.

The only non-white privilege that I could imagine is "Asian-American" privilege in the sense that most white people see peoples, at the least of east-central Asian origin (Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese) as for all practical purposes "white". When I attended college in California in the 1970's, I could not distinguish such people from white people by skin color alone. Then comes antipathy related to garbage claiming that COVID-19 is biological warfare by China. 

OK. Let's look at someone who has much privilege who is black:

    

Yes, she is privileged because she has honed her musical talent so that she can lease it profitably. She was fortunate to belong to a part of the black bourgeoisie that puts a high value on talent and formal education. Someone white with similar talent and curriculum vitae (let us say Lady Gaga) would also be similarly privileged and would not attribute her success to being white. With her success comes access to five-star hotels and plush accommodations while traveling. I have no idea how she spends her huge earnings and really don't care -- but I can assure you that she lives far better than a welfare recipient, to put it mildly. She has fully earned her privilege, something that she uses to facilitate her achievements.

Privilege is more costly than outright pay. Big business and the government do not offer it unless it is likely to do them perceptible, marketable good.

Nobody gets any special breaks for being black, and not even from the black bourgeoisie. It's open to white spouses who have biracial children who have no cause to identify as white.  

Had she not been murdered, Selena Quintanilla (a Mexican-American) might have had us thinking much the same about her.  

(08-28-2021, 07:57 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Let's remember: Barack Obama is one of the most brilliant, savvy political figures of American history. His talents should be obvious. Able to put words together with mathematical logic and clarity of expression, he is precisely the sort of person who fares well in law school. His personal ethics are unobjectionable. 

(08-29-2021, 01:58 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The last time the Democrats went to war with America, the Democrats lost big time.

(08-29-2021, 01:58 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-28-2021, 07:57 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Let's remember: Barack Obama is one of the most brilliant, savvy political figures of American history. His talents should be obvious. Able to put words together with mathematical logic and clarity of expression, he is precisely the sort of person who fares well in law school. His personal ethics are unobjectionable. 

Barack was charismatic and a great speaker and savvy to a point but he never came across to me as being all that brilliant. Being the first minority President had its perks. Special protection is a pretty nice perk.  In my opinion, he's overrated but I acknowlege the significance of his election and his place in American history. He represents a monumental achievement, it's to bad he's pissing it all away. If that's brilliant to you, I understand why you are in the position that you are in.

The Biden Administration is as close to a fascist regime as it can get in this country without fear of being killed or removed by force.  It's been skirting the line. You are a partisan Democrat. The remaining GOP is going to be wiped out by us democratically or forced to resign by us. America is taking over the Republican party. In short, you aren't an American. You are a partisan Democrat. Do you see how this is going to play out? The last time the Democrats went to war with America, the Democrats lost big time. Sink that into your head because it's coming. I told you that you were making  a big mistake electing Biden at the wrong time in history.

(08-28-2021, 07:01 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-28-2021, 10:10 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Privilege as a reward for high achievement is to be expected. With very high achievement come special perks, like high income and access to spectacular opportunities for emotional and intellectual enrichment.  Consider the military: officers are expected to toe the line in many ways, so there's a lot of stuff they can't get away with. But above a certain rank one lives very well. 

So if one is at the top of the game and one must travel, then one gets to stay at 4-star hotels instead of Motel 6 or Super 8. In the latter two one is probably traveling across country between Atlanta and Denver or Dallas and Grand Rapids and is tired enough that the only desirable perk is a continental breakfast that will save time. 

She's the Speaker of the House, dammit! Just think of what goes along with the position. She has access to classified information that you can't imagine... which explains why the person who stole her laptop could get life imprisonment just for that. 

Abuse the privilege and you lose the basis of the privilege. So you are a top-notch singer for a couple decades and your voice goes bad. Bye, bye, good life! Farewell, four-star hotels!

White privilege, as I have found, is mostly convenience. I'm less likely to be stopped. I will never be questioned about "driving while black" near where I live. (OK, the black physician in our town... well, the cops know about him and leave him alone). If I were black I would do much differently, like doing all shopping except for groceries and perhaps some items of clothing (shoes, especially) on line. 

(OK, if you are white and have a car with Vermont license plates and you are driving in certain parts of Hartford, Connecticut, then you are probably there for drugs. Tough luck, white doper in a black neighborhood!) Drug use is an obvious abuse of white privilege. White people use more drugs, use worse drugs, and get away with it longer.

Yep. She is the Speaker of the House. So, who does she represent? Does she represent the interest of America or does she represent of Napa Valley, Hollywood and Big Tech? Guess what, raising her and their taxes some isn't going to offset rising interest costs associated with the 30 trillion dollar debt. Dude, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out the blue system associated with FDR, LBJ and Obama is unsustainable. OK. I told that the Biden Administration was going to destroy whatever credibility the government had left, Well, where are we at? I'm not interested in your feelings or you dreams, I'd like to know if you know where we are at right now. The we being the vast majority of US taxpayers today. I'd say that the Democrats and some of the Republicans are treading on very thin ice right now. Wouldn't you? You claim that you have a higher IQ, prove it.

(08-29-2021, 01:58 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-28-2021, 07:57 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Let's remember: Barack Obama is one of the most brilliant, savvy political figures of American history. His talents should be obvious. Able to put words together with mathematical logic and clarity of expression, he is precisely the sort of person who fares well in law school. His personal ethics are unobjectionable. 

Barack was charismatic and a great speaker and savvy to a point but he never came across to me as being all that brilliant. Being the first minority President had its perks. Special protection is a pretty nice perk.  In my opinion, he's overrated but I acknowledge the significance of his election and his place in American history. He represents a monumental achievement, it's to bad he's pissing it all away. If that's brilliant to you, I understand why you are in the position that you are in.

Quote:  
The Biden Administration is as close to a fascist regime as it can get in this country without fear of being killed or removed by force.  It's been skirting the line. You are a partisan Democrat. The remaining GOP is going to be wiped out by us democratically or forced to resign by us. America is taking over the Republican party. In short, you aren't an American. You are a partisan Democrat. Do you see how this is going to play out? The last time the Democrats went to war with America, the Democrats lost big time. Sink that into your head because it's coming. I told you that you were making  a big mistake electing Biden at the wrong time in history.

(08-29-2021, 12:29 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-28-2021, 07:57 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(08-28-2021, 05:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-28-2021, 11:55 AM)David Horn Wrote: Well, she's a Silent, and still thinks like one whether she chooses to or not.  Her white privilege is the result of 8 decades if life -- the formative 2 in the pre-Civil Rights era.  All in all, she' pretty progressive on race, but the wiring still shows from time to time.

White privilege is only part of the problem. Today, we have black privilege and brown privilege causing problems too.

The only non-white privilege that I could imagine is "Asian-American" privilege in the sense that most white people see peoples, at the least of east-central Asian origin (Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese) as for all practical purposes "white". When I attended college in California in the 1970's, I could not distinguish such people from white people by skin color alone. Then comes antipathy related to garbage claiming that COVID-19 is biological warfare by China. 

OK. Let's look at someone who has much privilege who is black:

    

Yes, she is privileged because she has honed her musical talent so that she can lease it profitably. She was fortunate to belong to a part of the black bourgeoisie that puts a high value on talent and formal education. Someone white with similar talent and curriculum vitae (let us say Lady Gaga) would also be similarly privileged and would not attribute her success to being white. With her success comes access to five-star hotels and plush accommodations while traveling. I have no idea how she spends her huge earnings and really don't care -- but I can assure you that she lives far better than a welfare recipient, to put it mildly. She has fully earned her privilege, something that she uses to facilitate her achievements.

Privilege is more costly than outright pay. Big business and the government do not offer it unless it is likely to do them perceptible, marketable good.

Nobody gets any special breaks for being black, and not even from the black bourgeoisie. It's open to white spouses who have biracial children who have no cause to identify as white.  

Had she not been murdered, Selena Quintanilla (a Mexican-American) might have had us thinking much the same about her.  

Imagine??? You must not get around much these days. Oh, that's right, you're a rural blue hick living  in Podunk. That explains your disconnect and reliance on imagination to see so to speak. Me, I'm smack dab in the middle of millions of people. I can tell you this, black and brown privilege exists today. You know what white privilege is right. Biden's kid is a prime example of white privilege. How much shit has Biden's kid been able to get away with because of his status? That's white privilege. The Clinton's are another prime example of white privilege too. Look at all the shit the two of them have been able to get away with over the years. I have had some run ins with black and brown privilege over the years. In case you are wondering, white privilege is a sense of entitlement associated with ones status that's  prevalent among some white people. You're basically born with privilege, raised with privilege and go on to live the rest of their lives with privilege.  Democrats are intellectually  lazy and broad brush and associate it with the entire race which is wrong.  The term itself only applies to Pelosi and the upper echelon (the white ruling class) that she now represents for the most part. BTW, the majority of them are Liberal these days. I predict the group is going to find itself being stuck with 30 trillion in debt which should wipe them out and render them useless. Like I said, it won't take the American states long to ratify the American Constitution that exists. So, do you think the American revolutionaries who participated in the Revolutionary War were fascists too?

(08-29-2021, 01:55 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

Are you forgetting someone who fits those well?

(08-30-2021, 10:18 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-29-2021, 01:55 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

Are you forgetting someone who fits those well?

Trump doesn't fit it very well.

1. Powerful and continuing nationalism goes to Trump and the American Right.
   
2. Disdain for human rights goes to Biden And the Democrats. Black Lives Matter and illegal immigrants matter but that's about it the days.
   
3. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause goes to Biden, You and the others and the Democrats. Read your own posts, enough said.
   
4. Supremacy of the military goes to Biden and the Democrats. They're the ones who have been busy weeding out the military.
   
5. Rampant sexism goes to Biden and the Democrats. How many sexual harassment charges did it take to force Cuomo to resign. You'd think sending thousands of COVID back to nursing homes resulting in thousands of deaths would be enough. How many blue chester's have bit the dust over the years?
   
6. Controlled mass media goes to Biden and the Democrats. Let's see, Face Book, Twitter, Amazon, Apple, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC & CBS, HBO, Showtime, PBS, NPR and pretty much all the major newspapers.
   
7. Obsession with national security goes to Biden and the Democrats, Biden and the Dem's have been pretty obsessed about national security, How much has changed since Jan 6th and how much power have the Democrats given themselves since Jan 6th? Oh, Then there's all the obsession and hysteria related to COVID that Biden, you and the others and the Dem's being associated with national security too.
   
8. Religion and Government intertwined goes to Biden and the Democrats. It's not an organized form of religion but it's a global religion of sorts that the far Left and some of you seem to subscribe to and belief in. Global warming, climate change, the global Marxist movement that the so called intellectuals and Woke Culture have been pushing lately
   
9. Corporate power protected goes to Biden and the Democrats. Someone is allowing corporations to have powers that are illegal or powers the US government. Like I said, when the violence begins, the violence isn't going to stop until the Democrats tuck their tales and skip town or fully capitulate, The Democrats have a history of skipping town when the chips are down.
   
10. Labor power suppressed goes to Biden and the Democrats. Look at the result of the COVID restrictions. How many small business owners and their workers have been impacted by them.
    
11. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts. I'd say it does not fit for either side at this point.
    
12. Obsession with crime and punishment goes to Biden and the Democrats. Jan 6th and Covid restrictions and mandates. As far as regular crime and punishment. The Biden Administration and the Democratic party doesn't seem to care about rising crime or stopping criminals these days.
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption goes to Biden and the Democrats. We're spending trillions on what? The Democrats want America to spend trillions on who and what?  Do you know that only 12% of Americans view the federal government favorably these days? Like I said, If you are reliant on government services, you're pretty much f-d when America lets go of Washington DC in favor of starting anew.
    
14. Fraudulent Elections goes to Biden and the Democrats. Local courts changing state election  laws is illegal.
    

1. We agree on this one at least.
   
2. Whoa!  It was Trump who separated children from their parents and lost the paperwork to reunite them.  He also had no issue with MBS killing a journalist for being, you know, a journalist.  In fact, there are so many examples it's hard to list them.
   
3. Come on!  Trump is all about identifying and attacking his enemies -- something he's done his entire life.  He even goes after loyal friends if they aren't sufficiently loyal in his estimation.
   
4. Trump was the guy who wanted military ideation, and used troops as props.  They were "his generals" and "his troops" after all.
   
5. This is such a stretch you have to be kidding.  Democrats got rid of their predators -- even ones who probably didn't really desereve it.  Trump made a point of being a predator and got cheered-on by his party.
   
6. This is easy.  Fox, OANN, Brietbart and many other RW media never criticized Trump, no matter how thoroughly it was deserved.  The so-called MSM have had at Biden for his failures at Afghan withdrawal. since it started  QED.
   
7. This was Trump's forte: get us inside fortress America, build the miltary up even further and screw every other nation -- even staunch allies.  You do remember the wall, I assume.
   
8. Only the GOP and Evangelicals have truly united politics and religion in this country.  Period.
   
9. Trump killed all anti-trust activities, and tried to defund that part of the Justice Department.  He reduced corprate taxes to almopst nothing, and front loaded the cuts via a tax holiday on foreign earnings to make certain that they happened on his watch.
   
10. How you twisted this one is beyond me.  Biden isn't overly friendly to labor, but Trump was and still is outright antagonistic.
    
11. The entier GOP is built on anti-intellectualism.  You guys own this one 100%
    
12. Trump has alwasy been for harsh pnishment of the lowly and a free pass to the rich and powerful.  He lobbyied to have the Central Park Five executed even after they were found unequivocately innocent.
    
13. This isn't even funny.  The Trump adminstation handed out no-bid contracts like candy.
    
14. Trump is still pissed that he couldn't reverse an obvious loss.  He even took it to Congress in force on 1/6.
    

(08-31-2021, 10:34 AM)David Horn Wrote: My response in order (numbering mine for simplicity):

1. We agree on this one at least.
   
2. Whoa!  It was Trump who separated children from their parents and lost the paperwork to reunite them.  He also had no issue with MBS killing a journalist for being, you know, a journalist.  In fact, there are so many examples it's hard to list them.
   
3. Come on!  Trump is all about identifying and attacking his enemies -- something he's done his entire life.  He even goes after loyal friends if they aren't sufficiently loyal in his estimation.
   
4. Trump was the guy who wanted military ideation, and used troops as props.  They were "his generals" and "his troops" after all.
   
5. This is such a stretch you have to be kidding.  Democrats got rid of their predators -- even ones who probably didn't really desereve it.  Trump made a point of being a predator and got cheered-on by his party.
   
6. This is easy.  Fox, OANN, Brietbart and many other RW media never criticized Trump, no matter how thoroughly it was deserved.  The so-called MSM have had at Biden for his failures at Afghan withdrawal. since it started  QED.
   
7. This was Trump's forte: get us inside fortress America, build the miltary up even further and screw every other nation -- even staunch allies.  You do remember the wall, I assume.
   
8. Only the GOP and Evangelicals have truly united politics and religion in this country.  Period.
   
9. Trump killed all anti-trust activities, and tried to defund that part of the Justice Department.  He reduced corprate taxes to almopst nothing, and front loaded the cuts via a tax holiday on foreign earnings to make certain that they happened on his watch.
   
10. How you twisted this one is beyond me.  Biden isn't overly friendly to labor, but Trump was and still is outright antagonistic.
    
11. The entier GOP is built on anti-intellectualism.  You guys own this one 100%
    
12. Trump has alwasy been for harsh pnishment of the lowly and a free pass to the rich and powerful.  He lobbyied to have the Central Park Five executed even after they were found unequivocately innocent.
    
13. This isn't even funny.  The Trump adminstation handed out no-bid contracts like candy.
    
14. Trump is still pissed that he couldn't reverse an obvious loss.  He even took it to Congress in force on 1/6.
    

You don't even get a "nice try" on this one.

(08-30-2021, 10:18 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-29-2021, 01:55 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

Are you forgetting someone who fits those well?

Trump doesn't fit it very well.

Quote:1. Powerful and continuing nationalism goes to Trump and the American Right.

Quote:2. Disdain for human rights goes to Biden And the Democrats. Black Lives Matter and illegal immigrants matter but that's about it the days.

Quote:3. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause goes to Biden, You and the others and the Democrats. Read your own posts, enough said.

Quote:4. Supremacy of the military goes to Biden and the Democrats. They're the ones who have been busy weeding out the military.

Quote:5. Rampant sexism goes to Biden and the Democrats. How many sexual harassment charges did it take to force Cuomo to resign. You'd think sending thousands of COVID back to nursing homes resulting in thousands of deaths would be enough. How many blue chester's have bit the dust over the years?

Quote:6. Controlled mass media goes to Biden and the Democrats. Let's see, Face Book, Twitter, Amazon, Apple, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC & CBS, HBO, Showtime, PBS, NPR and pretty much all the major newspapers.

Quote:7. Obsession with national security goes to Biden and the Democrats, Biden and the Dem's have been pretty obsessed about national security, How much has changed since Jan 6th and how much power have the Democrats given themselves since Jan 6th? Oh, Then there's all the obsession and hysteria related to COVID that Biden, you and the others and the Dem's being associated with national security too.

Quote:8. Religion and Government intertwined goes to Biden and the Democrats. It's not an organized form of religion but it's a global religion of sorts that the far Left and some of you seem to subscribe to and belief in. Global warming, climate change, the global Marxist movement that the so called intellectuals and Woke Culture have been pushing lately

Quote:9. Corporate power protected goes to Biden and the Democrats. Someone is allowing corporations to have powers that are illegal or powers the US government. Like I said, when the violence begins, the violence isn't going to stop until the Democrats tuck their tales and skip town or fully capitulate, The Democrats have a history of skipping town when the chips are down.

Quote:10. Labor power suppressed goes to Biden and the Democrats. Look at the result of the COVID restrictions. How many small business owners and their workers have been impacted by them.

Quote:11. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts. I'd say it does not fit for either side at this point.

Quote:12. Obsession with crime and punishment goes to Biden and the Democrats. Jan 6th and Covid restrictions and mandates. As far as regular crime and punishment. The Biden Administration and the Democratic party doesn't seem to care about rising crime or stopping criminals these days.

Quote:13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption goes to Biden and the Democrats. We're spending trillions on what? The Democrats want America to spend trillions on who and what?  Do you know that only 12% of Americans view the federal government favorably these days? Like I said, If you are reliant on government services, you're pretty much f-d when America lets go of Washington DC in favor of starting anew.

Quote:Fraudulent Elections goes to Biden and the Democrats. Local courts changing state election  laws is illegal.

(09-01-2021, 05:26 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(08-30-2021, 10:18 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-29-2021, 01:55 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

Are you forgetting someone who fits those well?

Trump doesn't fit it very well.

You can't see it?

Quote:

Quote:1. Powerful and continuing nationalism goes to Trump and the American Right.

You are completely right on that. 

Quote:2. Disdain for human rights goes to Biden And the Democrats. Black Lives Matter and illegal immigrants matter but that's about it the days.

Donald Trump tried to establish a secret police to harass political opponents.  Hello, Stasi my old friend!
 

Quote:3. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause goes to Biden, You and the others and the Democrats. Read your own posts, enough said.

I'd rather that we didn't have the Michigan Plot or the Capitol Putsch. Biden has spoken little of them, which is a good idea because their deeds are now going through the process of criminal justice. 
 

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Quote:4. Supremacy of the military goes to Biden and the Democrats. They're the ones who have been busy weeding out the military.

Trump has tried to make the military pawns in partisan politics. The Armed Services will have nothing of that.

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Quote:5. Rampant sexism goes to Biden and the Democrats. How many sexual harassment charges did it take to force Cuomo to resign. You'd think sending thousands of COVID back to nursing homes resulting in thousands of deaths would be enough. How many blue chester's have bit the dust over the years?

President Biden asked Andrew Cuomo to resign once the accusations were made clear. Those hit all at once, as is so with such things. 

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Quote:6. Controlled mass media goes to Biden and the Democrats. Let's see, Face Book, Twitter, Amazon, Apple, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC & CBS, HBO, Showtime, PBS, NPR and pretty much all the major newspapers.

Mercifully he never achieved this, but it looks as if it were only a matter of time. If the news media are uncomfortable with him, then they must have something on him.  
 

Quote:7. Obsession with national security goes to Biden and the Democrats, Biden and the Dem's have been pretty obsessed about national security, How much has changed since Jan 6th and how much power have the Democrats given themselves since Jan 6th? Oh, Then there's all the obsession and hysteria related to COVID that Biden, you and the others and the Dem's being associated with national security too.

The Capitol Putsch can't be good for Republicans now. 

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Quote:8. Religion and Government intertwined goes to Biden and the Democrats. It's not an organized form of religion but it's a global religion of sorts that the far Left and some of you seem to subscribe to and belief in. Global warming, climate change, the global Marxist movement that the so called intellectuals and Woke Culture have been pushing lately

science  your myth culture

None of it is religion. Trump did that dreadful stunt of raising a Bible (which he neither reads nor heeds) in front of a church that he does not attend (he is not an Episcopalian) after having protesters driven off forcefully. The attempt failed except to shock and offend.

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Quote:9. Corporate power protected goes to Biden and the Democrats. Someone is allowing corporations to have powers that are illegal or powers the US government. Like I said, when the violence begins, the violence isn't going to stop until the Democrats tuck their tales and skip town or fully capitulate, The Democrats have a history of skipping town when the chips are down.

pure fantasy 

Trump stood fully for Big Business on just about every issue from workplace safety to the environment to reduction of the use of fossil fuel.  Neo-liberal, trickle-down economics to an unprecedented degree.

Quote:10. Labor power suppressed goes to Biden and the Democrats. Look at the result of the COVID restrictions. How many small business owners and their workers have been impacted by them.

Covid restrictions have saved lives. Big Business, Big Religion (including the biggest of them all in America, the Roman Catholic Church), and lots of wise individuals have done much to save life from the Plague of Donald Trump.  

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Quote:11. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts. I'd say it does not fit for either side at this point.

Trump has been against academia on COVID-19 very consistently. 

Quote:12. Obsession with crime and punishment goes to Biden and the Democrats. Jan 6th and Covid restrictions and mandates. As far as regular crime and punishment. The Biden Administration and the Democratic party doesn't seem to care about rising crime or stopping criminals these days.

Biden, like Obama, is sneaky in support of law and order. Both let the courts do their job without saying anything. Neither gives many pardons. Biden does not use fear of crime as an excuse for divisive policies. but Trump did to the max  
  

Quote:13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption goes to Biden and the Democrats. We're spending trillions on what? The Democrats want America to spend trillions on who and what?  Do you know that only 12% of Americans view the federal government favorably these days? Like I said, If you are reliant on government services, you're pretty much f-d when America lets go of Washington DC in favor of starting anew.

No, that is Donald Trump to a tee. 

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Quote:Fraudulent Elections goes to Biden and the Democrats. Local courts changing state election laws is illegal.

Biden won by a narrower margin than expected, probably because many people who had voted died. That explains the slow count in some states; elections officials were disqualifying the ballots of people who had cast votes and subsequently died. Dead people have no right to vote. Trump still tried to negate the vote, which would have been vote fraud of the worst kind -- the sort that would have made him a dictator.

(08-31-2021, 11:37 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-31-2021, 10:34 AM)David Horn Wrote: My response in order (numbering mine for simplicity):

1. We agree on this one at least.
   
2. Whoa!  It was Trump who separated children from their parents and lost the paperwork to reunite them.  He also had no issue with MBS killing a journalist for being, you know, a journalist.  In fact, there are so many examples it's hard to list them.
   
3. Come on!  Trump is all about identifying and attacking his enemies -- something he's done his entire life.  He even goes after loyal friends if they aren't sufficiently loyal in his estimation.
   
4. Trump was the guy who wanted military ideation, and used troops as props.  They were "his generals" and "his troops" after all.
   
5. This is such a stretch you have to be kidding.  Democrats got rid of their predators -- even ones who probably didn't really deserve it.  Trump made a point of being a predator and got cheered-on by his party.
   
6. This is easy.  Fox, OANN, Breitbart and many other RW media never criticized Trump, no matter how thoroughly it was deserved.  The so-called MSM have had at Biden for his failures at Afghan withdrawal. since it started  QED.
   
7. This was Trump's forte: get us inside fortress America, build the military up even further and screw every other nation -- even staunch allies.  You do remember the wall, I assume.
   
8. Only the GOP and Evangelicals have truly united politics and religion in this country.  Period.
   
9. Trump killed all anti-trust activities, and tried to defund that part of the Justice Department.  He reduced corporate taxes to almost nothing, and front loaded the cuts via a tax holiday on foreign earnings to make certain that they happened on his watch.
   
10. How you twisted this one is beyond me.  Biden isn't overly friendly to labor, but Trump was and still is outright antagonistic.
    
11. The entire GOP is built on anti-intellectualism.  You guys own this one 100%
    
12. Trump has alwasy been for harsh punishment of the lowly and a free pass to the rich and powerful.  He lobbied to have the Central Park Five executed even after they were found unequivocably innocent.
    
13. This isn't even funny.  The Trump administration handed out no-bid contracts like candy.
    
14. Trump is still pissed that he couldn't reverse an obvious loss.  He even took it to Congress in force on 1/6.
    

You don't even get a "nice try" on this one.

I didn't expect a "nice try" from you guys. I expected more of the same. So, how long are you guys going to continue going along with polishing turds? You do know a polished turd is still a turd right?

(09-01-2021, 05:18 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Fascism does not need the personality of Donald Trump. It does need deviousness and demagoguery. It needs the Big Lie, the effort to harmonize logical contradictions between class interests, between tradition and progress, between superstition and science, and the pompous self-image of the demagogue against his moral emptiness. There will be another after Trump is gone. Maybe someone more sophisticated. On the other hand, if we get genuine human solidarity, fascism will become a sick joke much like BUF figures from the 1930's in Monty Python sketches.