(10-24-2021, 02:49 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-22-2021, 01:26 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(10-21-2021, 11:15 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-19-2021, 08:19 PM)taramarie Wrote: You seem to assume things of me that you have no proof about. I did not expect you to start guessing without any proof to your claims.

They've had a very bad habit of doing dangerous stuff like that with other people for many years now. They've pretty much dug themselves a hole that they won't be able to get out of at this point. I say dangerous because people are known to get hurt for doing what they've been doing  other people on a regular basis.

You vaccine deniers, you believers in choice at the expense of all others, you are digging a hole for all of us, and we are all falling into it. YOU irresponsible embeciles, you do not value life, our life today, or any life in the future. You are contemptible.

According the information you gave me, it's actually 46,300,000 reported cases resulting in 750,000 deaths (1-2% of reported cases) so far. I assume that you assume that all cases have been reported to authorities so far. Me, I assume there are about as many unreported cases as there are reported cases like most medical experts these days. It's kind of funny how today's misinformation as you say or as your told becomes tomorrows truth/fact that you have no alternative other than to ignore these days.

Idealistically speaking, one death is to many. Realistically speaking, 0-1% /1-2% death rate is acceptable and does not justify the removal of our individual rights. I don't care if you and the others hand over your rights in exchange for peace of mind. You're right, I'm the devil according to your warped Liberal mind. You're about as warped minded as the Islamic radicals who refer to us as the Great Satan. So, get in line with them.

(10-20-2021, 10:47 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-19-2021, 06:01 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(10-19-2021, 03:51 PM)taramarie Wrote: Only speaking to bob atm so dont waste your time. Of course if bob continues to state i should not have basic rights he can bugger off too with the rest of you dictator boomers. If that is the way you guys are going, i cant wait till dictator boomers just die off.

My summation is that progressives are or ought to be in favor of democracy, human rights and equality.  So yes, I'm in favor of human rights.  What is dubious is when someone claims a right which infringes on the rights of others.  In the three American crisis we were fighting to dismiss kings, to not be victims of colonial imperialism, to free slaves, to allow the industrial revolution to proceed, to regulate the economy, and to move away from isolationism.  The current crisis includes reducing to eliminating structural racism, curing disease with honorable mentions to saving the environment and rebuilding infrastructure.

Not all of the above addresses democracy, human rights and equality directly.  In fact there is often an idealistic motivation which addresses the three, and an economic motivation which more directly involves the elites.

Now the issue of the moment seems to be in curing disease.  In generally, if one does not want to be cured, fine.  I won't oppose any supposed right to kill one's self.  But you have to balance individual rights against the general welfare of the people.  If for some reason you are against the vaccine this would be fine if you took all the other precautions, if you showed considerable care for the well being of others.  This does not generally seem to be the case.  At least in the US, the anti vaccination crowd is also generally the anti mask and anti other precaution folk.  I do not support the right to murder others.  Mandatory vaccines are supported by the Supreme Court and were a big part of past cures.  The right to murder people is entirely recently created and to my mind abhorrent and does not exist.

Now many governments seem to be looking for a monopoly on delivering vaccines on their own turf.  In your case, moving between countries and preferring the policy of the previous country is understandable, but you made a choice.  I can sympathize.  I can wish for an individual ability to chose from the many available treatments.  But, alas, we are not going to make government go away this crisis.  In the US, we have to choose between those treatments given emergency use authorization by the government.  You are stuck with a different territory.

But I will repeat the right to murder others is a delusion, does not exist.

Dude, there is no cure for COVID. I sure hope you don't believe that the vaccine you received is a cure for COVID.

(10-25-2021, 04:17 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(10-20-2021, 10:47 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Dude, there is no cure for COVID. I sure hope you don't believe that the vaccine you received is a cure for COVID.

The covid vaccines prevent covid from developing. The covid pandemic in the USA now is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. People should not have a "right" to go unvaccinated, unless they have medical proof that it would give them a harmful reaction. It is not a question of my body, my right. It is a case of protecting the other's body from my misconduct.

(10-25-2021, 07:26 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(10-25-2021, 04:17 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(10-20-2021, 10:47 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Dude, there is no cure for COVID. I sure hope you don't believe that the vaccine you received is a cure for COVID.

The covid vaccines prevent covid from developing. The covid pandemic in the USA now is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. People should not have a "right" to go unvaccinated, unless they have medical proof that it would give them a harmful reaction. It is not a question of my body, my right. It is a case of protecting the other's body from my misconduct.

Wherein comes the rub.  Today's right is so fixated on individual "rights" that any talk of communal responsibity is either ignored or actively opposed.  If you read Albion's Seed, it's a problem baked into the country since its founding.  We're essentially a divided nation trying to stay together for mutual benefit.  That may end at some point.

(10-24-2021, 02:49 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-22-2021, 01:26 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(10-21-2021, 11:15 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-19-2021, 08:19 PM)taramarie Wrote: You seem to assume things of me that you have no proof about. I did not expect you to start guessing without any proof to your claims.

They've had a very bad habit of doing dangerous stuff like that with other people for many years now. They've pretty much dug themselves a hole that they won't be able to get out of at this point. I say dangerous because people are known to get hurt for doing what they've been doing  other people on a regular basis.

You vaccine deniers, you believers in choice at the expense of all others, you are digging a hole for all of us, and we are all falling into it. YOU irresponsible embeciles, you do not value life, our life today, or any life in the future. You are contemptible.

According the information you gave me, it's actually 46,300,000 reported cases resulting in 750,000 deaths (1-2% of reported cases) so far. I assume that you assume that all cases have been reported to authorities so far. Me, I assume there are about as many unreported cases as there are reported cases like most medical experts these days. It's kind of funny how today's misinformation as you say or as your told becomes tomorrows truth/fact that you have no alternative other than to ignore these days.

Idealistically speaking, one death is to many. Realistically speaking, 0-1% /1-2% death rate is acceptable and does not justify the removal of our individual rights. I don't care if you and the others hand over your rights in exchange for peace of mind. You're right, I'm the devil according to your warped Liberal mind. You're about as warped minded as the Islamic radicals who refer to us as the Great Satin. So, get in line with them.

(10-24-2021, 08:43 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Would you take a trip by car if you thought that you had a 1% chance of dying during the journey? In 50 trips you would have about a 40% of dying. That is a very poor survival rate. Naval aviators have about a 23% chance of dying in a 15-year career as such even without combat. Combat is even more dangerous, adding other risks that I need not express.

Speaking of journeys, here is one place that I am sure that you would avoid. It is one of the worst slums in America, the Kensington "community" in Philadelphia. Watch at your own risk. It looks like a "Needle Park". It is unlikely that the people "shooting up" are diabetics using insulin.






Would you take risks on a heroin or meth habit? I don't know which is more dangerous -- IV drug use or COVID-19. You just showed me an estimate of 750,000 deaths, and -- yes, I have a calculator available. The death rate is about 1.6%. I know, of course, that such is a low rate in contrast to the death rates for cancer, strokes, and heart attacks, but those take time to develop. COVID-19 takes about a month to go from infection to death. Yes, you are taking a greater risk of death from lung cancer alone with every puff of a cigarette, but it takes a huge number of puffs from coffin nails to increase one's death rate from lung cancer by 1.6%. That is not a trivialization of smoking as a health risk; it is a bad habit with no obvious mitigating factors.

Stupid risks are for fools.

(10-25-2021, 04:58 PM)nguyenivy Wrote: You may want to check that maths again: assuming everyone in the US will face the virus someday, a 1 to 2 % death rate implies 3.3 million to 6.6 million deaths. Globally it works out to 80mn & 160mn. These would be in addition to all other causes of death that still happen. Looking at the numbers, I would say the restrictions were necessary, especially prior to the vaccines. I still wonder how much the vaccines cut the death rates by if everyone on Earth got them. Maybe it's enough to not need restrictions provided everyone got their vaccines.

(10-25-2021, 07:26 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(10-25-2021, 04:17 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(10-20-2021, 10:47 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Dude, there is no cure for COVID. I sure hope you don't believe that the vaccine you received is a cure for COVID.

The covid vaccines prevent covid from developing. The covid pandemic in the USA now is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. People should not have a "right" to go unvaccinated, unless they have medical proof that it would give them a harmful reaction. It is not a question of my body, my right. It is a case of protecting the other's body from my misconduct.

Wherein comes the rub.  Today's right is so fixated on individual "rights" that any talk of communal responsibity is either ignored or actively opposed.  If you read Albion's Seed, it's a problem baked into the country since its founding.  We're essentially a divided nation trying to stay together for mutual benefit.  That may end at some point.

(10-25-2021, 04:58 PM)nguyenivy Wrote:

(10-24-2021, 02:49 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-22-2021, 01:26 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(10-21-2021, 11:15 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-19-2021, 08:19 PM)taramarie Wrote: You seem to assume things of me that you have no proof about. I did not expect you to start guessing without any proof to your claims.

They've had a very bad habit of doing dangerous stuff like that with other people for many years now. They've pretty much dug themselves a hole that they won't be able to get out of at this point. I say dangerous because people are known to get hurt for doing what they've been doing  other people on a regular basis.

You vaccine deniers, you believers in choice at the expense of all others, you are digging a hole for all of us, and we are all falling into it. YOU irresponsible embeciles, you do not value life, our life today, or any life in the future. You are contemptible.

According the information you gave me, it's actually 46,300,000 reported cases resulting in 750,000 deaths (1-2% of reported cases) so far. I assume that you assume that all cases have been reported to authorities so far. Me, I assume there are about as many unreported cases as there are reported cases like most medical experts these days. It's kind of funny how today's misinformation as you say or as your told becomes tomorrows truth/fact that you have no alternative other than to ignore these days.

Idealistically speaking, one death is to many. Realistically speaking, 0-1% /1-2% death rate is acceptable and does not justify the removal of our individual rights. I don't care if you and the others hand over your rights in exchange for peace of mind. You're right, I'm the devil according to your warped Liberal mind. You're about as warped minded as the Islamic radicals who refer to us as the Great Satan. So, get in line with them.

You may want to check that maths again: assuming everyone in the US will face the virus someday, a 1 to 2 % death rate implies 3.3 million to 6.6 million deaths. Globally it works out to 80mn & 160mn. These would be in addition to all other causes of death that still happen. Looking at the numbers, I would say the restrictions were necessary, especially prior to the vaccines. I still wonder how much the vaccines cut the death rates by if everyone on Earth got them. Maybe it's enough to not need restrictions provided everyone got their vaccines.

(10-25-2021, 11:49 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-25-2021, 04:58 PM)nguyenivy Wrote: You may want to check that maths again: assuming everyone in the US will face the virus someday, a 1 to 2 % death rate implies 3.3 million to 6.6 million deaths. Globally it works out to 80mn & 160mn. These would be in addition to all other causes of death that still happen. Looking at the numbers, I would say the restrictions were necessary, especially prior to the vaccines. I still wonder how much the vaccines cut the death rates by if everyone on Earth got them. Maybe it's enough to not need restrictions provided everyone got their vaccines.

The numbers are based on known/reported cases only and don't take into account the number of us who have had it who didn't know it at the time and didn't report it or get  tested to determine whether they were positive. We went for months without accurate testing and public testing sites and the vaccines were made available to the public.

Me, I had it before we knew anything about it along with several other people that I know (family members and friends and casual acquaintances) personally. With that said, the number of people who have already  had it is more likely much higher than the numbers that you and the others are going by here  and the actual death rate is more than  likely less than a percent of those who have had COVID so far.

(10-26-2021, 12:25 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-25-2021, 07:26 AM)David Horn Wrote: ...  Today's right is so fixated on individual "rights" that any talk of communal responsibity is either ignored or actively opposed.  If you read Albion's Seed, it's a problem baked into the country since its founding.  We're essentially a divided nation trying to stay together for mutual benefit.  That may end at some point.

You better pull your head out because we are in the process of ending that relationship right now. The Democratic side better figure out how they're going to afford to pay for all their shit, all their people and some how or another defend themselves without the support of most of America down the road. So, what's the benefit of sticking with today's Left? Sorry dude, America will be better off without today's Left. Can you say the same about today's Left? The Left is largely dependent and pretty needy these days. The American Right is largely independent and able to fend for itself.

(10-26-2021, 12:59 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(10-26-2021, 12:25 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-25-2021, 07:26 AM)David Horn Wrote: ...  Today's right is so fixated on individual "rights" that any talk of communal responsibity is either ignored or actively opposed.  If you read Albion's Seed, it's a problem baked into the country since its founding.  We're essentially a divided nation trying to stay together for mutual benefit.  That may end at some point.

You better pull your head out because we are in the process of ending that relationship right now. The Democratic side better figure out how they're going to afford to pay for all their shit, all their people and some how or another defend themselves without the support of most of America down the road. So, what's the benefit of sticking with today's Left? Sorry dude, America will be better off without today's Left. Can you say the same about today's Left? The Left is largely dependent and pretty needy these days. The American Right is largely independent and able to fend for itself.

You keep making these claims, but the numbers are against you.  The Blue side is still a larger percentage of the country and resides in the areas that are wealthier and frankly more strategic. "Most of America" lives Blue, not Red.

(10-26-2021, 12:46 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(10-25-2021, 11:49 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-25-2021, 04:58 PM)nguyenivy Wrote: You may want to check that maths again: assuming everyone in the US will face the virus someday, a 1 to 2 % death rate implies 3.3 million to 6.6 million deaths. Globally it works out to 80mn & 160mn. These would be in addition to all other causes of death that still happen. Looking at the numbers, I would say the restrictions were necessary, especially prior to the vaccines. I still wonder how much the vaccines cut the death rates by if everyone on Earth got them. Maybe it's enough to not need restrictions provided everyone got their vaccines.

The numbers are based on known/reported cases only and don't take into account the number of us who have had it who didn't know it at the time and didn't report it or get  tested to determine whether they were positive. We went for months without accurate testing and public testing sites and the vaccines were made available to the public.

Me, I had it before we knew anything about it along with several other people that I know (family members and friends and casual acquaintances) personally. With that said, the number of people who have already  had it is more likely much higher than the numbers that you and the others are going by here  and the actual death rate is more than  likely less than a percent of those who have had COVID so far.

You may be right that, intentionally or not, we vastly undercounted the number of COVID illnesses -- especially in the early months.  Less inaccurate are the number of COVID deaths, which is at least the official number of 737,526.  That's 1 of every 450 Americans, and much worse elsewhere in the world.  Most of us are not so isolated that we don't know at least one victim personally.  We might be able to say the same about traffic fatalities too, except COVID has done is dirty work in months, not decades.

(10-25-2021, 11:07 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-24-2021, 08:43 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Would you take a trip by car if you thought that you had a 1% chance of dying during the journey? In 50 trips you would have about a 40% of dying. That is a very poor survival rate. Naval aviators have about a 23% chance of dying in a 15-year career as such even without combat. Combat is even more dangerous, adding other risks that I need not express.

Speaking of journeys, here is one place that I am sure that you would avoid. It is one of the worst slums in America, the Kensington "community" in Philadelphia. Watch at your own risk. It looks like a "Needle Park". It is unlikely that the people "shooting up" are diabetics using insulin.






Would you take risks on a heroin or meth habit? I don't know which is more dangerous -- IV drug use or COVID-19. You just showed me an estimate of 750,000 deaths, and -- yes, I have a calculator available. The death rate is about 1.6%. I know, of course, that such is a low rate in contrast to the death rates for cancer, strokes, and heart attacks, but those take time to develop. COVID-19 takes about a month to go from infection to death. Yes, you are taking a greater risk of death from lung cancer alone with every puff of a cigarette, but it takes a huge number of puffs from coffin nails to increase one's death rate from lung cancer by 1.6%. That is not a trivialization of smoking as a health risk; it is a bad habit with no obvious mitigating factors.

Stupid risks are for fools.

I take a risk of being killed in a car accident or dying from something else every day of the week dude. Americans take risks with their lives all the time.

(10-25-2021, 11:07 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-24-2021, 08:43 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Would you take a trip by car if you thought that you had a 1% chance of dying during the journey? In 50 trips you would have about a 40% of dying. That is a very poor survival rate. Naval aviators have about a 23% chance of dying in a 15-year career as such even without combat. Combat is even more dangerous, adding other risks that I need not express.

Speaking of journeys, here is one place that I am sure that you would avoid. It is one of the worst slums in America, the Kensington "community" in Philadelphia. Watch at your own risk. It looks like a "Needle Park". It is unlikely that the people "shooting up" are diabetics using insulin.






Would you take risks on a heroin or meth habit? I don't know which is more dangerous -- IV drug use or COVID-19. You just showed me an estimate of 750,000 deaths, and -- yes, I have a calculator available. The death rate is about 1.6%. I know, of course, that such is a low rate in contrast to the death rates for cancer, strokes, and heart attacks, but those take time to develop. COVID-19 takes about a month to go from infection to death. Yes, you are taking a greater risk of death from lung cancer alone with every puff of a cigarette, but it takes a huge number of puffs from coffin nails to increase one's death rate from lung cancer by 1.6%. That is not a trivialization of smoking as a health risk; it is a bad habit with no obvious mitigating factors.

Stupid risks are for fools.

I take a risk of being killed in a car accident or dying from something else every day of the week dude. Americans take risks with their lives all the time.

(10-26-2021, 12:59 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(10-26-2021, 12:25 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-25-2021, 07:26 AM)David Horn Wrote: ...  Today's right is so fixated on individual "rights" that any talk of communal responsibity is either ignored or actively opposed.  If you read Albion's Seed, it's a problem baked into the country since its founding.  We're essentially a divided nation trying to stay together for mutual benefit.  That may end at some point.

You better pull your head out because we are in the process of ending that relationship right now. The Democratic side better figure out how they're going to afford to pay for all their shit, all their people and some how or another defend themselves without the support of most of America down the road. So, what's the benefit of sticking with today's Left? Sorry dude, America will be better off without today's Left. Can you say the same about today's Left? The Left is largely dependent and pretty needy these days. The American Right is largely independent and able to fend for itself.

You keep making these claims, but the numbers are against you.  The Blue side is still a larger percentage of the country and resides in the areas that are wealthier and frankly more strategic. "Most of America" lives Blue, not Red.

(11-01-2021, 01:09 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-26-2021, 12:59 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(10-26-2021, 12:25 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-25-2021, 07:26 AM)David Horn Wrote: ...  Today's right is so fixated on individual "rights" that any talk of communal responsibity is either ignored or actively opposed.  If you read Albion's Seed, it's a problem baked into the country since its founding.  We're essentially a divided nation trying to stay together for mutual benefit.  That may end at some point.

You better pull your head out because we are in the process of ending that relationship right now. The Democratic side better figure out how they're going to afford to pay for all their shit, all their people and some how or another defend themselves without the support of most of America down the road. So, what's the benefit of sticking with today's Left? Sorry dude, America will be better off without today's Left. Can you say the same about today's Left? The Left is largely dependent and pretty needy these days. The American Right is largely independent and able to fend for itself.

You keep making these claims, but the numbers are against you.  The Blue side is still a larger percentage of the country and resides in the areas that are wealthier and frankly more strategic. "Most of America" lives Blue, not Red.

Biden is down to thirty some percent support nation wide and you're telling me the percentages are heavily in your favor. The Blue side or Progressive side only amounts to 30 some percent of the country these days. How many times have I've told you/ referred to that over the years? So, who is going to fight the Blue sides upcoming war with America? A bunch of crooked bureaucrats/politicians/political activists, ghetto slugs/hoodlums/petty thieves, urban gang banger's, pot heads/drug addicts, clueless/naive teenagers (mainly younger women), crazed/indoctrinated SJW's who have never really seen large scale violence or real warfare and single mothers/women?

Quote:I'm not a Red. I'm a hardcore American.

Quote:How many times have I told you or reminded you of that fact over the years? If you loose the bulk of the country, the bulk of its economy, the bulk of its military and it's tax base, what does the Blue/Progressive side have left at that point? We are stuck with the piece of shit that you and the others elected but the cool thing is that America doesn't have to stick with him and go down with him. America is free to part ways, declare its independence and reestablish itself  and begin taking the law into it's own hands. The old laurels that kept the country together no longer exist these days. The Left has pretty much destroyed them by no longer honoring them.

(11-01-2021, 01:09 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-26-2021, 12:59 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(10-26-2021, 12:25 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-25-2021, 07:26 AM)David Horn Wrote: ...  Today's right is so fixated on individual "rights" that any talk of communal responsibity is either ignored or actively opposed.  If you read Albion's Seed, it's a problem baked into the country since its founding.  We're essentially a divided nation trying to stay together for mutual benefit.  That may end at some point.

You better pull your head out because we are in the process of ending that relationship right now. The Democratic side better figure out how they're going to afford to pay for all their shit, all their people and some how or another defend themselves without the support of most of America down the road. So, what's the benefit of sticking with today's Left? Sorry dude, America will be better off without today's Left. Can you say the same about today's Left? The Left is largely dependent and pretty needy these days. The American Right is largely independent and able to fend for itself.

You keep making these claims, but the numbers are against you.  The Blue side is still a larger percentage of the country and resides in the areas that are wealthier and frankly more strategic. "Most of America" lives Blue, not Red.

Biden is down to thirty some percent support nation wide and you're telling me the percentages are heavily in your favor. The Blue side or Progressive side only amounts to 30 some percent of the country these days. How many times have I've told you/ referred to that over the years? So, who is going to fight the Blue sides upcoming war with America? A bunch of crooked bureaucrats/politicians/political activists, ghetto slugs/hoodlums/petty thieves, urban gang banger's, pot heads/drug addicts, clueless/naive teenagers (mainly younger women), crazed/indoctrinated SJW's who have never really seen large scale violence or real warfare and single mothers/women?

I'm not a Red. I'm a hardcore American. How many times have I told you or reminded you of that fact over the years? If you loose the bulk of the country, the bulk of its economy, the bulk of its military and it's tax base, what does the Blue/Progressive side have left at that point? We are stuck with the piece of shit that you and the others elected but the cool thing is that America doesn't have to stick with him and go down with him. America is free to part ways, declare its independence and reestablish itself  and begin taking the law into it's own hands. The old laurels that kept the country together no longer exist these days. The Left has pretty much destroyed them by no longer honoring them.

(11-01-2021, 02:34 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(11-01-2021, 01:09 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-26-2021, 12:59 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(10-26-2021, 12:25 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-25-2021, 07:26 AM)David Horn Wrote: ...  Today's right is so fixated on individual "rights" that any talk of communal responsibity is either ignored or actively opposed.  If you read Albion's Seed, it's a problem baked into the country since its founding.  We're essentially a divided nation trying to stay together for mutual benefit.  That may end at some point.

You better pull your head out because we are in the process of ending that relationship right now. The Democratic side better figure out how they're going to afford to pay for all their shit, all their people and some how or another defend themselves without the support of most of America down the road. So, what's the benefit of sticking with today's Left? Sorry dude, America will be better off without today's Left. Can you say the same about today's Left? The Left is largely dependent and pretty needy these days. The American Right is largely independent and able to fend for itself.

You keep making these claims, but the numbers are against you.  The Blue side is still a larger percentage of the country and resides in the areas that are wealthier and frankly more strategic. "Most of America" lives Blue, not Red.

Biden is down to thirty some percent support nation wide and you're telling me the percentages are heavily in your favor. The Blue side or Progressive side only amounts to 30 some percent of the country these days. How many times have I've told you/ referred to that over the years? So, who is going to fight the Blue sides upcoming war with America? A bunch of crooked bureaucrats/politicians/political activists, ghetto slugs/hoodlums/petty thieves, urban gang banger's, pot heads/drug addicts, clueless/naive teenagers (mainly younger women), crazed/indoctrinated SJW's who have never really seen large scale violence or real warfare and single mothers/women?

I'm not a Red. I'm a hardcore American. How many times have I told you or reminded you of that fact over the years? If you loose the bulk of the country, the bulk of its economy, the bulk of its military and it's tax base, what does the Blue/Progressive side have left at that point? We are stuck with the piece of shit that you and the others elected but the cool thing is that America doesn't have to stick with him and go down with him. America is free to part ways, declare its independence and reestablish itself  and begin taking the law into it's own hands. The old laurels that kept the country together no longer exist these days. The Left has pretty much destroyed them by no longer honoring them.

Biden's popularity, or lack of it, is almost insignificant as a Blue marker.  He was and is a placeholder, put in place by another geriatric politician, and showing his and their communal age.  Biden wil not run again, even if his approval rises to 90%, because he knows he's already pushing the bounds of what an 80-year old can do.  And your idea that Democrats are somehow not Americans, but, apparently, Republicans are, is simply silly.  Add ten years to the present, and see who runs the show.  It won't be the geriatric Left or Right.  It will be the young.

Quote:And now once again, you note the intent of "America" to part ways with America, presumably.  Easy to say; hard to do.  I will conceed, there are plenty on both sides happy to join hands in making the break, but, as alwasy, the devil will be in the details.

(11-01-2021, 04:57 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(11-01-2021, 02:34 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(11-01-2021, 01:09 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-26-2021, 12:59 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(10-26-2021, 12:25 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: You better pull your head out because we are in the process of ending that relationship right now. The Democratic side better figure out how they're going to afford to pay for all their shit, all their people and some how or another defend themselves without the support of most of America down the road. So, what's the benefit of sticking with today's Left? Sorry dude, America will be better off without today's Left. Can you say the same about today's Left? The Left is largely dependent and pretty needy these days. The American Right is largely independent and able to fend for itself.

You keep making these claims, but the numbers are against you.  The Blue side is still a larger percentage of the country and resides in the areas that are wealthier and frankly more strategic. "Most of America" lives Blue, not Red.

Biden is down to thirty some percent support nation wide and you're telling me the percentages are heavily in your favor. The Blue side or Progressive side only amounts to 30 some percent of the country these days. How many times have I've told you/ referred to that over the years? So, who is going to fight the Blue sides upcoming war with America? A bunch of crooked bureaucrats/politicians/political activists, ghetto slugs/hoodlums/petty thieves, urban gang banger's, pot heads/drug addicts, clueless/naive teenagers (mainly younger women), crazed/indoctrinated SJW's who have never really seen large scale violence or real warfare and single mothers/women?

I'm not a Red. I'm a hardcore American. How many times have I told you or reminded you of that fact over the years? If you loose the bulk of the country, the bulk of its economy, the bulk of its military and it's tax base, what does the Blue/Progressive side have left at that point? We are stuck with the piece of shit that you and the others elected but the cool thing is that America doesn't have to stick with him and go down with him. America is free to part ways, declare its independence and reestablish itself  and begin taking the law into it's own hands. The old laurels that kept the country together no longer exist these days. The Left has pretty much destroyed them by no longer honoring them.

Biden's popularity, or lack of it, is almost insignificant as a Blue marker.  He was and is a placeholder, put in place by another geriatric politician, and showing his and their communal age.  Biden wil not run again, even if his approval rises to 90%, because he knows he's already pushing the bounds of what an 80-year old can do.  And your idea that Democrats are somehow not Americans, but, apparently, Republicans are, is simply silly.  Add ten years to the present, and see who runs the show.  It won't be the geriatric Left or Right.  It will be the young.

President Biden will at most be the Man of the Moment due to his age alone. He has little generational constituency, as most of the Silent generation is already deceased. He has obvious limitations due to age. He may have most of the same principles of younger liberals, but there are far more young liberals who will follow him. The essential matter of the moment in November 2020 was to defeat Donald Trump before he could destroy American democracy.

He will not solve all of America's problems once and for all. Nobody can. That will be for others to do, one legislative session at a time.But we did solve one problem, did we not? Donald Trump is no longer President, and he can no longer drive America into a dictatorship as he sought to do. America gets a little breathing room, time in which it can contemplate what is wrong with much of the country.  

Quote:And now once again, you note the intent of "America" to part ways with America, presumably.  Easy to say; hard to do.  I will conceed, there are plenty on both sides happy to join hands in making the break, but, as alwasy, the devil will be in the details.

America's biggest problems are not going to be solved by under-educated people. However rough life might be in Cleveland, Detroit, Milwaukee, or Philadelphia, moving to the Rural South is no solution.The public schools suck. Poverty is the norm. The jobs aren't there. People who lack the education suitable to high-tech activities will not be the needed labor force.