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RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 01-03-2020 ** 03-Jan-2020 World View: Personality Cult (01-03-2020, 08:10 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: > We don't need any martyrs on the Other Side. Trump already has his I assume that by his "personality cult" you're referring to the 63 million smelly Trump supporters that you loathed and despised for years as the "Tea Party." RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 01-03-2020 *** 4-Jan-20 World View -- Iran faces tough choices after Soleimani assassination This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com
**** **** Iran faces tough choices after Soleimani assassination **** Gen. Qassim Soleimani (when he was alive) (AP) On Friday, BBC reporter Rebecca Kesby interviewed Ghanbar Naderi, political editor for Tehran-based Kayhan International newspaper. During the course of the interview, the following exchange occurred: <QUOTE>Rebecca Kesby: "You say this is uncharted territory. But surely the Iranian authorities would have been prepared for this. He [Qassim Soleimani] must have known himself that he was a target." Ghanbar Naderi: "Rebecca, nobody took president Trump seriously. They never thought that when he said he threatened Iran he was going to make good on his threatened promises, but that's exactly what he did. And they were all caught off guard. They never expected General Soleimani to be assassinated in Iraq."<END QUOTE> In my previous article, I included a narrative of Iran's actions leading up to Iran's attack on the US embassy in Baghdad. ( "1-Jan-20 World View -- US sends troops to Baghdad to defend embassy from Iranian rioters" ) As I explained in that article, this was right out of Iran's playbook, ever since the 1979 Islamic revolution civil war, in which they were propelled to success by the "American Hostage Crisis," taking 52 American diplomats hostage for 444 days. Since then, the hardline government in Iran has been trying to duplicate that success although, as I've explained many, many times over the years, what works in a generational Crisis era in 1979 will not work in a generational Awakening era today. Iran's government is in serious trouble. The economy is crippled, and most young Iranians blame that on the foreign military adventures by the Iran Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), headed by General Qassim Soleimani. There have been months of massive anti-Iran riots and demonstrations in both Iraq and Iran, and in Iran, Soleimani has overseen the torture, rape, jailing and slaughter of thousands of peaceful anti-government protesters in Iran. So the takeover of the Baghdad embassy was a desperate attempt to repeat the 1979 success, and unite the country against America. But the takeover was a flop from the start. Some fires were set and some property was damaged, but it fizzled quickly, and within 24 hours the Iraqi armed forces were guarding the US embassy from the Iran-backed attackers. In my last article, I said that this would be the most likely outcome, during a generational Awakening era. **** **** Iran's disastrous miscalculation after 40 years of war **** So Iran's entire US Embassy attack didn't last 444 days, but was a failure and a flop within 24 hours. But it quickly got a lot worse, because Iran made a disastrous miscalculation. As was revealed by the BBC interview with Ghanbar Naderi quoted above, and by other sources as well, the Iranians never took Trump seriously and never believed he would respond and kill Soleimani. Iran had good reason to believe that Trump would not respond. For 40 years, Iran has been conducting asymmetic warfar against the US and Israel, using its proxies, like Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis, and its allies in Lebanon, Iraq and Yemen, to attack America and its allies with impunity, while claiming deniability. Here's a list of some of the most recent attacks in the just the last few months:
In each case the Iranians were warned not to repeat these actions, but the warnings were never followed up with actions, and the Iranians came to believe that they could continue such attacks with impunity, and Trump would never respond. As Ghanbar Naderi said, "Nobody took president Trump seriously." **** **** US airstrike kills IRGC leader Soleimani **** Gen. Qassim Soleimani, Iran's most important military figure, and head of the Iran Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), was killed by an American airstrike at Baghdad’s international airport on Tuesday. The strike also killed Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, a top Iraqi military figure, the deputy commander of Iran-backed militias known as the Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF) in Iraq. So the Iranians had every reason to believe that the attack on the US Embassy would be met with words and no action. This turned out to be a major miscalculation. Not only was Soleimani killed, but in fact the entire operation has failed in that it did nothing to unite people the way the Iranian Hostage Crisis did in 1979. In Iraq, the anti-Iran protesters are celebrating and cheering the killing of Soleimani. In Iran, the feelings are mixed. Soleimani was a hero of the Iran/Iraq war, which killed 1.5 million people, and Soleimani was responsible for killing many Iraqis. Like any war hero, Soleimani is revered by Iranians who lived through that war. But Soleimani has also been responsible for the torture, rape, jailing and slaughter of thousands of peaceful anti-government protesters over the years, and those victims are cheering his death. So it's hard to see this as anything but a disaster for the Iranians. It resulted in the death of a top general, and did not achieve its objective. However, the United States has gained quite a bit, and not just from the death of Soleimani. Donald Trump has proven (again) that he's willing to back up his words with actions, something that's almost unheard of from politicians, and that's a message that will be heard 'round the world, especially in North Korea and China. **** **** Iran plans for retaliation **** Pundits and analysts are saying that Iran must now retaliate, and everyone is wondering how they will do that. They could repeat some of the actions that I listed above -- attacking oil tankers, launching artillery attacks, etc. -- but that would be more of the same, and would not really impress anyone. The speculation is that Iran will be planning something spectacular -- perhaps blowing up an American embassy or business or something in some other country, or a European target in Europe. One analyst said that Iran would have to walk a very difficult line in such an action. It would have to be large enough to count as retaliation, but not so large that it would provoke a heavy military response by the United States, perhaps destroying Iran's oil fields. One other problem for Iran is that various officials in other countries -- Afghanistan, Iraq and Lebanon -- are expressing the hope that Iran will not retaliate on the US in their countries, and any Iran attack on America in one of their countries would violate that country's sovereignty. Some speculation is that Hezbollah will conduct some terrorist attack against America and Israel. Hezbollah is already poor, because of the anti-Iran sanctions, and crippled from having fought for years in Syria. At any rate, America and Israel claim that they are always ready for a Hezbollah terrorist attack. Another speculation is an Iranian cyber attack. The US is under constant cyber attacks from numerous countries, so it's hard to see how this would be different. **** **** Threats of war between Iran and America **** There will NOT be a war between American and Iran. This is despite the fact that the media have been filled with screams by hysterical, apoplectic left-wing politicians who claim that we'll be at war by Monday. Any clash would fizzle quickly. Some have said that Trump will be involved in something worse than the Vietnam war and it would last for years. Such is the idiocy of the left. They should spend more time fantasizing about girls, rather than wars. Almost all reporters and politicians making such claims are so ignorant that they couldn't find Iran on a map, and certainly know nothing about Iran's history. As I described in my book on Iran, Iran's 1979 civil war was triggered generationally by the 1890 Tobacco Revolt, the 1905-09 Constitutional Revolution, and the 1963 White Revolution in which Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini was exiled. During all this time, the UK, Russia and later America were bogeymen that various Iranian politicians blamed for their own failures. As I described in my book on Iran, Iran suffered major humiliating defeats in nationalistic border wars during the 1800s. As a result, Iran takes pride in saying that it no longer invades anyone, and points to the Iran/Iraq war as a case where it was invaded. However, under the insanity of the Islamic republic, Iran now serves its nationalistic drives not by invading anyone, but by funding other groups to conduct proxy wars, as previously described. The problem is that, just as the 1800s border wars failed spectacularly, the new proxy war strategy is also failing spectacularly. Instead of getting soldiers killed in foreign wars, Iran is spending huge amounts of money to pay other groups to get their soldiers killed in proxy wars. This has caused enormous economic problems in Iran, and a lot of people are furious at wasting money on the foreign proxy wars. But Iran's main problem is that the older generations have a hate-America foreign policy, while the younger generations love the West and America, and the size of the younger generations is growing every day. Iran's last generational crisis war was the 1979 Islamic Revolution civil war, combined with the 1980s Iran/Iraq war, and now the hardline geezers are paying the price for their democide policies following both those wars. Both Iran and Iraq are close to Awakening era climax events, and looks like the most likely result will be for Iraq to eject Iran, and for Iran to eject the hardline geezers. But this is speculation, and it remains to be seen. However, one thing is certain: Iran cannot now abandon its centuries-old policy of avoiding foreign wars and sponsoring proxy wars. **** **** Some known unknowns **** During the Iraq war, Donald Rumsfeld liked to say that "unknowns" were broken up into two groups -- "known unknowns," where you know that you don't know something, and "unknown unknowns," where you don't have any clue at all. So it's worth pointing out that there are some known unknowns in the current situation that will reveal themselves in the next few days, and readers may wish to watch for them.
Of course, the biggest unknown is how Iran is going to retaliate. And that will probably remain unknown until it happens. **** **** The future of Iran **** Iran's future is dominated by the fact that the old hardline geezer survivors of the 1979 civil war are dying off, and the younger generations are pro-American and pro-Western. At some point, there will be some kind of "regime change," a generational Awakening climax where the younger generation takes control of the government. However, this "regime change" cannot be rushed by Trump or any outside. It totally depends on internal generational forces. As regular readers know, Generational Dynamics predicts that there is an approaching Clash of Civilizations world war, pitting the "axis" of China, Pakistan and the Sunni Muslim countries against the "allies," the US, India, Russia and Iran. Part of it will be a major new war between Jews and Arabs, re-fighting the bloody the war of 1948-49 that followed the partitioning of Palestine and the creation of the state of Israel. The war between Jews and Arabs will be part of a major regional war, pitting Sunnis versus Shias, Jews versus Arabs, and various ethnic groups against each other. The exact scenario that will lead to this world war, but it's always possible that the current crisis will turn out to be a step on the way. John Xenakis is author of: "World View: Iran's Struggle for Supremacy -- Tehran's Obsession to Redraw the Map of the Middle East" (Generational Theory Book Series, Book 1), September 2018, Paperback: 153 pages, over 100 source references, $7.00, https://www.amazon.com/World-View-Supremacy-Obsession-Generational/dp/1732738610/ **** **** Update **** As I'm writing this late on Friday evening ET, there are reports over airstrikes on a convoy in northern Baghdad. The reports are confusing since some reports indicate that it isn't an American operation. Sources: Note: The following articles are useful for facts, but they're all pretty idiotic as far as analysis is considered, since they're almost all predicting a war, which won't happen for the reasons that I've given. Most of the analysis is written by people knowing less than nothing about the history of Iran, and probably couldn't find Iran on a map. In other words, most (though not all) of these articles are written by idiots. Note: Michael O'Hanlon, Brookings Institute, is referenced in the Fox News article below. O'Hanlon is the only analyst that I know of in Washington who knows what he's talking about, and this has been my opinion for over a decade. He's sometimes anti-Trump or pro-Trump, but he always talks sense -- which no one else does, ever.
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KEYS: Generational Dynamics, Iran, Iraq, Qassim Soleiman Rebecca Kesby, Ghanbar Naderi, Kayhan International, Islamic revolution, Iran/Iraq war, Iranian Hostage Crisis, Popular Mobilization Forces, PMF, Iran Revolutionary Guard Corps, IRGC, Saudi Arabia, Aramco, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Hezbollah, Hamas, Israel Permanent web link to this article Receive daily World View columns by e-mail Contribute to Generational Dynamics via PayPal John J. Xenakis 100 Memorial Drive Apt 8-13A Cambridge, MA 02142 Phone: 617-864-0010 E-mail: john@GenerationalDynamics.com Web site: http://www.GenerationalDynamics.com Forum: http://www.gdxforum.com/forum Subscribe to World View: http://generationaldynamics.com/subscribe RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Warren Dew - 01-04-2020 (01-03-2020, 11:37 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: As I'm writing this late on Friday evening ET, there are reports over The attack was on a PMF (pro-Iran) convoy. The US has denied participation. The accounts I saw said the Iraqi army had denied that it happened at all. Normally I would assume an opportunistic air strike by Israel, but I wonder in this case if the Iraqi army took an opportunistic whack at a competing militia. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - pbrower2a - 01-05-2020 (01-03-2020, 10:12 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: ** 03-Jan-2020 World View: Personality Cult I saw the warning signs. I could see through him for his extreme narcissism, if not sociopathy. (Narcissists elevat3e themselves yet discount everyone else; sociopaths are schemers; psychopaths are predators). In any event, people are catching on. Maybe not the Tea Party types, but certainly the younger people entering the electorate as the Tea Party (largely people over 55) dies off a little very year. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Satan Hussein were highly effective in maintaining their personality cults. Truth has nothing to do with it. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 01-05-2020 ** 05-Jan-2020 World View: Tea Party = Nazi Personality Cult (01-05-2020, 02:44 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: > I saw the warning signs. I could see through him for his extreme Each time you write something about this, it's dumber and dumber. You should quit before you get further behind. So you think that Trump is the same as Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Hussein, and you think that the 63 million smelly Tea Partiers / Trump supporters that you've loathed and despised for many years are the same as a Nazi personality cult. You've crossed the line from total ignorance to total idiocy. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 01-05-2020 ** 05-Jan-2020 World View: Iraq 'votes' for US withdrawal Iraq's parliament has voted to "call for" the withdrawal of US troops. But it's non-binding, and the session was boycotted by the Sunni and Kurdish groups, so only the Iran-backed MPs voted for it. It's reported that these MPs are under enormous pressure from Iran. Opposition figures in Iraq say that Iraq will no longer be able to defend itself without the support of American troops and point to the fact that ISIS took over 2/3 of the country the last time that the US withdrew. Most Iraqis do not trust Iran-backed People's Mobilization Forces (PMFs) to protect Iraq, and many consider the PMFs to be worse than ISIS. Even those who dislike America's assassination of Soleimani still trust America far more than they trust the PMFs. Protesters in the Iraqi streets have been calling for Iran to withdraw. Iraq's government is in shambles, with the prime minister having had to resign because of the recent massive anti-Iran anti-government protests in the streets. The acting PM cannot do much until there's a new election. Iran's puppet Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah gave the usual speech on Sunday about how horrible Americans are, but did not go farther to say that Hezbollah would participate in the retaliation against America. Al-Jazeera says that this omission is a surprise, but it's happening because Lebanon's government is itself in shambles, because of recent massive anti-government protests, and they don't want Lebanon to be dragged into the clash between US and Iran. In Washington, the hysterics continue. The idiots are no longer predicting war by Monday, so the idiots have already been forced to back down from that certain prediction. Now they're just saying that killing Soleimani will turn out to be the greatest foreign policy blunder in the history of the country, or possibly the world. The basics that I've described in my last two articles have not changed, in terms of generational attitudes following from the extremely bloody Iran/Iraq war of the 1980s, which killed 1.5 million people. None of the idiots that you hear on TV take into account Iran's history, Iraq's history, or that many Iranians hate Iraqis, and that many Iraqis hate Iranians, after the atrocities they perpetrated on each other in the 1980s. As usual, if you want to believe stupid things, then listen to the idiots in Washington. If you want to know what's actually going on in the world, then follow the Generational Dynamics analyses that I've been posting. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - pbrower2a - 01-05-2020 (01-05-2020, 09:52 AM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: ** 05-Jan-2020 World View: Tea Party = Nazi Personality Cult No. But even baby steps in the direction of those monsters are to be taken with great care, if at all. I've taken up painting, which Hitler did; I have toyed with linguistics, as Stalin did. Such is trivial. If you saw your kid showing signs of delinquent behavior, then would you not try to stop it? Trump is political delinquency, and delinquency of any kind is best stopped early. Start with demagogy. It is bad enough to end up with a politician with which one has nothing to offer. Sure, Trump offends my sensibilities with his bigotry, his sexism, and his contempt for anyone with a hardship in his past (whether poverty, a handicap, or having been incarcerated by the Commies in North Vietnam). A politician who makes contradictory promises and appeals to different groups is either a fool or a liar. Consider this: the FBI, which does not get to beat confessions out of unfortunate people as did the Gestapo or the KGB, has a more effective technique for finding perpetrators. It seeks as many people imaginably involved and asks people questions about the case. Innocent people will tell the truth, even embarrassing revelations (such as at one time "I am gay", or more apropos, "I cheated on my spouse"), to clear themselves. Innocent people might give incriminating information on the perpetrator without knowing that they have done so. Guilty people lie simply to maintain the mask of innocence. Their lies ultimately trap them, or their slow response to such a question as "On October 22, 2013, did you rob the Norwest Bank* in Kokomo, Indiana?" (I could answer that one in the negative without hesitation because I have never robbed a bank, but a serial bank robber would have to hesitate to think about whether he did. Maybe he was instead robbing a Norwest Bank* in Keokuk, Iowa that day). As J. Edgar Hoover said, every crook that he ever encountered was one thing -- a liar. The FBI technique might not be so effective where something like Article 58 of the Soviet Criminal Code (that practically defines everyone as a criminal) is in operation. Trump is a liar -- someone who sees the only reality as what serves his ego or his economic interests at the time. He has been involved with organized crime. He was a good friend of the late Jeffrey Epstein, once saying of him that "he likes his girls young". He is a horrible person. As for the Tea Party people most are good except for their politics. They are often the salt-of-the-earth types, the people who feed relatives whose cupboards are getting bare, who meet a layaway payment coming due when a relative is a bit behind in paying off a bicycle, people who tithe to their churches, people who prepare items for family reunions and fundraisers for children with incurable diseases, people who go to a Wednesday evening prayer meeting when that conflicts with Game 7 of the World Series... above all they are the people who do the dirty, nasty jobs that people with degrees from renowned colleges and universities would never think of doing. Trump has told many people what they want to hear, which is that other people don't share their values while fleecing them. Trump is the apotheosis of the Tea Party. I recognize that you are no liberal, but offending the sensibilities of a majority of the people is bad politics. The Tea Party is the denunciation of intellectual modernity, including science. Such ravages creativity and intellectual discussion. Have you ever talked to these people? You are in Boston, itself a bubble; I live in the rural Midwest, and I see huge Trump banners under US flags. I never saw anything like that with Dubya or Reagan. If conservative values on economics are right, then they need a more honest vehicle than that pathological, demagogic liar. *defunct entity -- I do not give free advertising. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Warren Dew - 01-05-2020 (01-05-2020, 01:37 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: As usual, if you want to believe stupid things, then listen to the I wonder if there's anyone in the Pentagon who is familiar with generational theory. Certainly an understanding that Iran is in a generational Awakening would have helped to make the decision that killing Soleimani had limited downside risk. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 01-06-2020 ** 06-Jan-2020 World View: The Iran hysteria The hysteria continues. I've just heard a lengthy report on MS-NBC from Richard Engel, NBC News, Chief Foreign Correspondent. He says that he's never seen anything like these crowds. He's says they're all crying. He says that the assassination of Soleimani has spectacularly backfired on Trump. He said that two months ago, Iran's government was in crisis because the streets were crowded with anti-government protesters, and now the assassination has united "all factions" of Iran's government into anti-Trump protests. Now there are massive shows of support not only for the government but also for the IRGC. Engel: "This is a seminal moment. It shows that all people -- young people, old people -- all are now behind their government in a way that they were not just a few weeks ago." You would think that Richard Engel, NBC News Chief Foreign Correspondent, wouldn't be such an idiot, wouldn't you? According to Engel, all those young people who have been protesting for years about the poverty, corruption and incompetence of Iran's government have suddenly changed their minds, and now they ignore the government, despite the poverty, corruption and incompetence. In just the last couple of months, Soleimani oversaw the brutal torture, rape, jailing and murder of thousands of peaceful mostly young anti-government protesters, and it never occurs to Engel and the other idiots that the reason that they're all crying is because they've been ordered to go out into the streets and cry, and may even have been given some financial incentive to do so, as other reports have suggested. I have an interesting speculation about this situation. A lot of the young people in the streets now weeping over the death of Soleimani are just happy to be out in the streets at all, without being tortured or killed by the IRGC. The speculation is that they see this as an opportunity to make to turn these street demonstrations around into anti-government protests as soon as they can when the current fervor ends. The IRGC would be able to torture and kill them because these anti-government protests would be in the international spotlight. That's just speculation. On the other hand, we're all shocked that the NY Times lead opinion writer, Thomas Friedman, apparently supports the assassination: Quote: "Thomas L. Friedman - Trump Kills Iran’s Most Friedman goes on to explain why Soleimani was such a disaster. Friedman actually does know a great deal about Iran and the Mideast. In my book on Iran, I quoted at length some of the things that Friedman wrote in 2002, including the following: Quote: "Iran has the bomb. ... No, no not that bomb. This So Friedman, at least, uniquely has some idea what's going on in Iran, and even understands some generational theory. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 01-06-2020 ** 06-Jan-2020 World View: Generational theory in the Pentagon (01-05-2020, 07:32 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: > I wonder if there's anyone in the Pentagon who is familiar with That's an interesting question. Sure, there may well be people in the Pentagon or State Dept. who are following my web site, and in fact I occasionally exchange e-mail messages with someone in government. But we've had many discussions in the Generational Dynamics forum that anyone who talks about generational theory in the workplace or even with friends meets with hostility. So-called "experts" have no desire to have their ideological beliefs challenged. That's why this whole thing about Steve Bannon being an adviser to Donald Trump has been such a big deal for me. I've often wondered whether anyone in the White House follows the Generational Dynamics web site, or is even on my mailing list under an anonymous name. The one thing I did note -- and I wrote many articles about it -- is that whenever Donald Trump did anything in foreign policy that baffled the media and the Democrats (which was pretty much always), I was always able to explain how the decision made perfect sense from the point of view of Generational Dynamics. In fact, the current actions on Iran are like that. That doesn't mean that Trump or his advisers are specifically analyzing situations from the point of view of generational theory, since the same conclusions can always be reached independently, but at the least it's been a coincidence. And this is in contrast to, for example, the Obama administration decisions, which never made any sense whatsoever. One thing that I've learned repeatedly is that the experts in Washington have no clue what's going on in the world. As I've mentioned several times in my articles, I learned this in 2006 when Congressional Quarterly and the London Times did a survey of Mideast "experts," many with years of experience, and found out that they didn't know the answers to the simplest questions. One of things that the experts didn't know was whether al-Qaeda was a Sunni or Shia organization. Think about that. We had people -- Republicans and Democrats -- making foreign policy who were so ignorant and stupid that they couldn't answer the simplest questions about the subject they were supposed to be experts on. (And recall that Pelosi famously declared that al-Qaeda was not in Iraq. Lol.) Today's politicians and media are obviously just as ignorant, which is obvious every time they open their mouths. I've singled out the Connecticut senator Chris Murphy because al-Jazeera has run video from him several times, and referred to him as an "expert." He's been in Congress since 2007 and on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee since 2013, so he should know what's going on. And yet, he says the most incredibly stupid things. My theory is that the reason that al-Jazeera runs video from him and others like him is that they want to show to their Arab audience how stupid the Americans are. It's obvious that none of the experts on tv has any idea of what's going on in Iran, and I assume that the same is true of people in the Pentagon. You don't need to know generational theory to know what's going on in Iran, and in fact that carries the "fourth turning" baggage with it. But you would need to know something about Iran's history, and these people know less than nothing. Let's look at what you or someone in the Pentagon or elsewhere would have to know to have any idea what's going on in Iran:
So, my point in answer to your question is that what has to be understood about the situation in Iran actually does not require an understanding of generational theory, but it does require a knowledge of the history of Iran, and the ability to do fourth grade math. Obviously, I don't expect media reporters and analysts to have the mental capacity to understand all that, but I do expect people who call themselves "experts" to understand at least some of the simpler concepts, which they don't. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Warren Dew - 01-06-2020 (01-06-2020, 01:06 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: [*]Applying the same abstract reasons, everyone over age 25 in Iran This is a good point. It's a lot safer to participate in the eulogies when someone is safely dead, so there's no chance that someone you praise today will be doing something you hate tomorrow. The rest of your points here are good points, too. That said, it's notable that the current "mourners" are all men, and are in the big cities that are seats of government, while the protests against the government include lots of women, and started in the boondocks before breaking out everywhere. These are not the same people, and they don't represent the same parts of society. It does seem most of the experts are coming around to the conclusion that Iran is not going to do anything drastic immediately. Of course, that's an easier conclusion to come to when it has been four days and Iran has already not done anything drastic immediately. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - pbrower2a - 01-07-2020 (01-05-2020, 07:32 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:(01-05-2020, 01:37 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: As usual, if you want to believe stupid things, then listen to the Many still consider the generational theory a fringe study. The faults are obvious. We try to interpret history, but such is messy. The American Revolution is not the Civil War, is not the Great Depression and World War II, and is not this time. Even so, Lincoln made allusions to the American Revolution, and FDR made plenty of allusions to Lincoln, even treating the Nazis as rebels against old and necessary virtues. If anything, Spain in the 1930's seemed more an analogue to contemporary America due to the ideological polarization and the ruthlessness of at least one side. The threat to American democracy does not come from a despotic king in London, spiders in the soul of one region (slavery in the South), or foreign powers whose leadership is ominously similar to images of Satan in behavior. The threat comes from people already here, people generally pampered from childhood, who put their self image and economic interests above the basic humanity of other Americans. Once you get past the politics, the supporters of Donald Trump aren't bad people. They could never get away with the horrible things that Trump has done. Many of them do jobs in which they die a little every day -- like getting to run a cash-register transaction at a convenience store in which someone fills his bloated pick-up truck and the boat that it tows.. and loads up with drinks and party foods for a great time on the nearby lake. Such a transaction may be more than one gets in a month of work, and the customer finds it no great difficulty for himself. And that person must put on a big, bright, happy-to-serve-you smile. Life can be marginal in what is supposedly the richest country in the world. Maybe they recognize that efforts to challenge the idea that 95% of the people are to suffer for 2% who get to live like sultans are pointless -- or at least if they must suffer so that a few can live like sultans, evening it out between themselves and perhaps 40% who do not suffer as they do makes things more equitable. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 01-07-2020 ** 07-Jan-2020 World View: Stampede kills 32 at funeral for Iran's Soleimani The hysteria changes every day. First, the US and Iran would be at war by Monday. Then Iran would bring the US to its knees with retaliation. The assassination is a war crime, justifying a brand new impeachment trial. etc. etc. On Tuesday there was a stampede at Soleimani's funeral, killing 32 people and injuring 190. If this weren't so tragic, it would be Karmic (or in Persian I guess it's Kismet). Why did the government ask so many people to attend the funeral? Why weren't the crowds better managed? Is this Allah's way of punishing Iran for deifying a criminal who had committed atrocities during the Iran/Iraq war, and who oversaw the beating, torture, rape, jailing, and murder of thousands of innocent peaceful protesters on the streets of Iran and Iraq? Why am I asking these questions? Because those are exactly the kinds of questions that Iran was asking in 2015 when there was a huge stampede at the Hajj in Saudi Arabia. Of the almost 800 pilgrims killed in the stampede, at least 464 were from Iran, which was more than from any other country. ** 27-Sep-15 World View -- After Hajj stampede disaster, Muslims debate the 'Will of Allah' ** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/xct.gd.e150927.htm#e150927 The Iranians were apoplectic about this, accusing the Saudis of everything from gross negligence to murder. Now the Iranians are guilty of exactly the same thing. ---- Source: -- Stampede kills 32 at funeral for Iran general: state TV https://www.france24.com/en/20200107-stampede-kills-32-at-funeral-for-iran-general-state-tv (France24, 7-Jan-2020) RE: Generational Dynamics World View - pbrower2a - 01-07-2020 Soleimani was a nasty character. So is Trump. Don't get me wrong; I loathe the regime in Iran. Let's not give it a really-nasty "Great Satan" against which to unify, one worse than America has been by the standards of the corrupt, oppressive ayatollahs. Want more grounds for impeachment? Try the threat of our President to destroy 52 cultural sites of Iran.Plotting or threatening such is itself a crime against humanity. I look at John Bolton, consistently one of the biggest warmongers in America, and he has (pardon the pun) bolted...maybe he knows enough that the next Democratic President would send war criminals to the Hague Tribunal just to recover some respectability for America. The Hague Tribunal has a high conviction rate and it gets very long terms of imprisonment. 380 days to go... RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 01-07-2020 ** 07-Jan-2020 World View: DOD Statement on Iranian Ballistic Missile Attacks in Iraq Immediate Release DOD Statement on Iranian Ballistic Missile Attacks in Iraq Jan. 7, 2020 Statement from Assistant to the Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs Jonathan Hoffman: At approximately 5:30 p.m. (EST) on January 7, Iran launched more than a dozen ballistic missiles against U.S. military and coalition forces in Iraq. It is clear that these missiles were launched from Iran and targeted at least two Iraqi military bases hosting U.S. military and coalition personnel at Al-Assad and Irbil. We are working on initial battle damage assessments. In recent days and in response to Iranian threats and actions, the Department of Defense has taken all appropriate measures to safeguard our personnel and partners. These bases have been on high alert due to indications that the Iranian regime planned to attack our forces and interests in the region. As we evaluate the situation and our response, we will take all necessary measures to protect and defend U.S. personnel, partners, and allies in the region. Due to the dynamic nature of the situation, we will continue to provide updates as they become available. https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2052103/dod-statement-on-iranian-ballistic-missile-attacks-in-iraq/ RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 01-07-2020 ** 07-Jan-2020 World View: Intentional miss According to reports this evening, Iran fired about a dozen high precision missiles at two Iraqi military bases. These missiles destroyed some property, and did not cause any American casualties, though they did cause some Iraqi casualties. Multiple analysts are saying that this appears to be an "intentional miss," to save face, and to satisfy the hawks in Iran. The fact that there were Iraqi casualties may affect the relationship between Iran and Iraq. Trump will be speaking to the nation on Wednesday morning. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - pbrower2a - 01-07-2020 Any split between the President and the DOD (the adults in the room) will indicate big trouble. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 01-08-2020 ** 08-Jan-2020 World View: Iran stands down after missile attack You'd never know it from the mainstream media, but the last 24 hours appear to have been a further setback for Iran. As we've previously discussed, Iran badly miscalculated by believing that they could continue to attack American troops with impunity. The assassination of Iran's Gen. Qassim Soleimani was a tremendous shock to Iran's leaders. The funeral for Iran was staged to show that millions of Iranians now support the Iran's government, although it showed nothing of the sort, since it's widely believed that, while there were many genuine mourners, most of those attending the funeral did so because they were forced to by the government. As I wrote yesterday, the whole funeral show was marred by a stampede that killed dozens of people, an ironic event, given that a stampede occurred in Saudi Arabia in 2015, killing hundreds of Iranians, that Iran blamed on incompetence and criminality of Saudi leadership. Now, there are certain to be accusations in Iran questioning the competence and criminality of Iran's leaders, and even questioning whether the stampede was punishment from Allah for deifying a bloody monster like Soleimani. Then there was last night's revenge attack on America. This consisted of dozens of high-precision missiles apparently targeting grassy fields near Iraqi military bases where some American soldiers are stationed. No American was hurt, but it appears to have been an "intentional miss" to prevent further retaliation from Trump. Next, incredibly, a Ukrainian airliner crashed shortly after takeoff from Tehran airport, killing 176 people, mostly Iranians, with no survivors. Iran's officials claim it was a mechanical problem with the plane, but Ukrainian airline officials say that the plane was inspected two days ago with no problem. The plane's "black box" would provide the answers, but apparently Iran is not going to permit anyone else to see the data in the black box. The plane exploded and fell to earth shortly after the missile attack. The obvious suspicion, denied by Iran, is that an Iranian missile shot down the plane, or an Iranian terrorist attack brought down the plane. *** *** Generational analysis of Iran's response *** You know, Dear Reader, whenever I make predictions as I did in my article on Friday, saying unequivocally that there wouldn't be a war, I always take a deep breath and wonder whether this will finally be the time that I'm wrong, and I look like an idiot. Fortunately for me and for Generational Dynamics, that didn't happen this time, and in fact has never happened in hundreds of such predictions over the years, although this was one of the most dramatic. ** 4-Jan-20 World View -- Iran faces tough choices after Soleimani assassination ** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/xct.gd.e200104.htm#e200104 What did happen, obviously, is completely in line with the generational analysis I posted. What I particularly want to point to is the history of Iran's border wars in the 1800s. These wars were disastrous for Iran, with the result that Iran takes pride in not invading anyone. Instead, they've sublimated their military nationalism into paying terrorist groups to conduct proxy wars on Iran's behalf. The Iranians have really botched this up. They got Soleimani killed, they messed up the funeral, they may be responsible for an airline disaster, and they launched an "intentional miss" missile attack. The significance of this is that the missile attack was supposedly attacking Americans, but it was on Iraqi bases on Iraqi soil. Iraq has been undergoing months of anti-Iran protests. Iran's missile attack on Iraqi soil is going to be interpreted as a message to Iraq's government to continue doing as they're told, and it will strengthen the voices of the many people who want to see Iran out. I saw an interview on the BBC with Ayad Allawi, former VP and PM of Iraq. Allawi is Shia, but opposed to Iran's presence in Iraq. One thing that was interesting was that the BBC interviewer made the usual hysterical remarks about war, but Allawi clearly thought they were ridiculous and laughed them off. However, the one point that really stuck out for me was when Allawi was asked whether he would prefer Iranian influence or American influence in Iraq, to which he said that he prefers American influence. Upon further questioning, he said that when there are problems with the American relationship, the Iraqis can get them resolved by appealing to the United Nations or the European Union, but when there are problems with Iran, then Iraq was simply screwed (though he didn't use that word). Anyone interested in watching the Allawi interview will find it on the BBC Hardtalk podcast page: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p004t1s0/episodes/downloads Returning now to Iran's plans, Iran is claiming that 30 American soldiers were killed, though no American or Iraqi soldiers were actually killed, though some Iraqis were injured. Iran will learn a lesson from this episode, but not the lesson we would like them to learn. They will not learn the lesson that they shouldn't attack America and its allies. The lesson that they will learn is to revisit the lesson they originally learned during the disastrous 1860s border wars, and they'll go back to attacking Americans through proxies and allies. However, Iran will also have learned the lesson that proxy attacks can lead to retribution from Donald Trump. Sources: -- Trump says Iran ‘appears to be standing down,’ missile strikes resulted in no casualties https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-to-make-statement-on-iranian-missile-strikes-assures-nation-all-is-well (FoxNews, 8-Jan-2020) -- US knew Iranian missiles were coming ahead of strike; Trump announces new sanctions https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/01/08/us-officials-warned-missile-launch-iraq-bases-troops/2842200001/ (USAToday, 8-Jan-2020) Related Articles: ** 4-Jan-20 World View -- Iran faces tough choices after Soleimani assassination ** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/xct.gd.e200104.htm#e200104 ** 1-Jan-20 World View -- US sends troops to Baghdad to defend embassy from Iranian rioters ** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/xct.gd.e200101.htm#e200101 ** 31-Dec-19 World View -- American airstrikes on Iraq's Kataib Hezbollah provoke international fury ** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/xct.gd.e191231.htm#e191231 ** 29-Nov-19 World View -- Spiraling bloodbath in Iraq, as anti-Iran and anti-government riots spread ** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/xct.gd.e191129.htm#e191129 ** 3-Nov-19 World View -- Anti-Iran, anti-government protests spread across Iraq ** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/xct.gd.e191103.htm#e191103 RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 01-08-2020 ** 08-Jan-2020 World View: The hottest (09-19-2019, 03:32 AM)Marypoza Wrote: > -- you were listing examples of how the Government comprised our It's worth noting that Tulsi Gabbard is the hottest candidate currently running for president. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 01-10-2020 ** 10-Jan-2020 World View: The power of love (01-08-2020, 08:28 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:(09-19-2019, 03:32 AM)Marypoza Wrote: > -- you were listing examples of how the Government comprised our I forgot about Marianne Williamson. She was hottest candidate running for president, and the way she looks and the mystical way she talks definitely remind me of a couple of sensational girls that I dated years ago. But she dropped out today, so Tulsi Gabbard is now the hottest again. |