(02-18-2017, 03:34 PM)disasterzone Wrote:

(02-18-2017, 03:30 PM)Tuss Wrote:

(02-18-2017, 09:58 AM)Odin Wrote: So you've gone full Fascist scum. Go to Hell.

Take a deep breath and calm down.

(02-18-2017, 10:01 AM)Odin Wrote: Exactly. The only people I see nowadays insisting that 9/11 was the start of the 4T are Fascists are other far-right fucks thirsting for a holy war in the Middle East.

Interesting since a "holy war" is exactly what I don't want and never did want, from the invasion of Afghanistan on. I was always against globalist foreign entanglements, always for peace and independant nation states in the Middle East. If you had known anything about the nationalist right you'd realize that's kind of the default attitude; actually inherent in the very label. Not that you can say the same about politically correct puppets of the military security complex, like Obama or Mrs Clinton (or Bush the younger).

There's no peace if nations are being oppressed. Why should we allow ISIS to run those countries?

(02-18-2017, 09:58 AM)Odin Wrote:

(02-18-2017, 04:17 AM)Tuss Wrote: Cuckservatives everywhere and your side is still saying it. You will continue to say it when your daughter gets gang raped or thrown off a balcony for being infidel filth. Everything's better than being called a racist. So no, that's not the difference between a 3T and a 4T. It's the difference between having your natural and sound human emotions intact and your interior completely hypnotyzed by the PTB. In other words, it's the difference between two opposing forces of the 4T.

So you've gone full Fascist scum. Go to Hell.

(02-18-2017, 03:30 PM)Tuss Wrote:

(02-18-2017, 09:58 AM)Odin Wrote: So you've gone full Fascist scum. Go to Hell.

Take a deep breath and calm down.

(02-18-2017, 08:38 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(02-18-2017, 09:58 AM)Odin Wrote:

(02-18-2017, 04:17 AM)Tuss Wrote: Cuckservatives everywhere and your side is still saying it. You will continue to say it when your daughter gets gang raped or thrown off a balcony for being infidel filth. Everything's better than being called a racist. So no, that's not the difference between a 3T and a 4T. It's the difference between having your natural and sound human emotions intact and your interior completely hypnotyzed by the PTB. In other words, it's the difference between two opposing forces of the 4T.

So you've gone full Fascist scum. Go to Hell.

Uh, no.  Labeling folks "racist" for opposing illegal aliens and for Europe, opposers of flood tide of unvetted "refugees" [tussilago] is widely uninformed ad hom tossing.

Simple economic lesson for Odin.  The labor market like all other markets is subject to the law of supply and demand.  Look, I haven't had a raise in 6 years.  It's time to drain the labor market of illegal aliens. If you want to call me a racist, fine.

I hope, next up a crack down on employers of illegal aliens.  I really want Oklahoma do that since that's the real problem.  Cheap skate employers need a crack down.

(02-19-2017, 02:27 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-18-2017, 08:38 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(02-18-2017, 09:58 AM)Odin Wrote:

(02-18-2017, 04:17 AM)Tuss Wrote: Cuckservatives everywhere and your side is still saying it. You will continue to say it when your daughter gets gang raped or thrown off a balcony for being infidel filth. Everything's better than being called a racist. So no, that's not the difference between a 3T and a 4T. It's the difference between having your natural and sound human emotions intact and your interior completely hypnotyzed by the PTB. In other words, it's the difference between two opposing forces of the 4T.

So you've gone full Fascist scum. Go to Hell.

Uh, no.  Labeling folks "racist" for opposing illegal aliens and for Europe, opposers of flood tide of unvetted "refugees" [tussilago] is widely uninformed ad hom tossing.

Simple economic lesson for Odin.  The labor market like all other markets is subject to the law of supply and demand.  Look, I haven't had a raise in 6 years.  It's time to drain the labor market of illegal aliens. If you want to call me a racist, fine.

I hope, next up a crack down on employers of illegal aliens.  I really want Oklahoma do that since that's the real problem.  Cheap skate employers need a crack down.

Rags, unless you're making minimum wage in some service or farm job, illegal aliens are no threat to your income. The raise you haven't had is because of the bosses who refuse to give you one, just like George Carlin and Bernie Sanders said. The rich cocksuckers are grabbing all the wealth for themselves. CEOs make 300 times what their employees make. Minimum wages are ridiculously low, and that affects other wages. Blaming the immigrants is an effective campaign for demagogues, but that's ALL it is.

Europe has very little to fear from the flood of refugees. Maybe one or two got in through the flood. But the terrorists there were entirely people who lived there long before Assad's terror forced all those refugees to come. Where are they all going to go? Assad has chased his people out of his country; those that he didn't kill, torture and main for life. You can't say this holocaust didn't have an effect on the West. But it's not the effect that you think. The refugees are not bringing crime, they're not bringing drugs, and they're not rapists. Those who are, were already there. No, they ARE good people, in spite of what Trump says. The BAD people are Trump, the Brexit mongers, Le Pen, Putin and all the other fascist demagogues who are taking political advantage of the xenophobia. Period; end of story.

(02-18-2017, 04:47 AM)Tuss Wrote:

Ragnarök_62 Wrote:The twilight zone is correct.  Trump of course isn't the only manifestation.

No, he is one of the symptoms. The immediate future will prove whether he will go down in history as "the great president" or a remote controlled clown of the Neocon globalist laissez-fairians. I give him until summer to kick Soros, the Saudis, and the AIPAC out, wipe that stupid grin off of Netanyahu's face and come to a serious agreement among adults with Iran and the Russians. The foreign situation will judge what this guy's character is really all about, thus predetermine his sincerety in relation to interior policy and what took him to the White House in the first place.

Quote:I'm sill sort of locked in on our

Teenage Mutant Ninja BlackBlocers.  I'm really weirded out by those.

You refering to those young kids using a strange frog as their mascot?

(02-19-2017, 03:40 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(02-19-2017, 02:27 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-18-2017, 08:38 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(02-18-2017, 09:58 AM)Odin Wrote:

(02-18-2017, 04:17 AM)Tuss Wrote: Cuckservatives everywhere and your side is still saying it. You will continue to say it when your daughter gets gang raped or thrown off a balcony for being infidel filth. Everything's better than being called a racist. So no, that's not the difference between a 3T and a 4T. It's the difference between having your natural and sound human emotions intact and your interior completely hypnotyzed by the PTB. In other words, it's the difference between two opposing forces of the 4T.

So you've gone full Fascist scum. Go to Hell.

Uh, no.  Labeling folks "racist" for opposing illegal aliens and for Europe, opposers of flood tide of unvetted "refugees" [tussilago] is widely uninformed ad hom tossing.

Simple economic lesson for Odin.  The labor market like all other markets is subject to the law of supply and demand.  Look, I haven't had a raise in 6 years.  It's time to drain the labor market of illegal aliens. If you want to call me a racist, fine.

I hope, next up a crack down on employers of illegal aliens.  I really want Oklahoma do that since that's the real problem.  Cheap skate employers need a crack down.

Rags, unless you're making minimum wage in some service or farm job, illegal aliens are no threat to your income. The raise you haven't had is because of the bosses who refuse to give you one, just like George Carlin and Bernie Sanders said. The rich cocksuckers are grabbing all the wealth for themselves. CEOs make 300 times what their employees make. Minimum wages are ridiculously low, and that affects other wages. Blaming the immigrants is an effective campaign for demagogues, but that's ALL it is.

Europe has very little to fear from the flood of refugees. Maybe one or two got in through the flood. But the terrorists there were entirely people who lived there long before Assad's terror forced all those refugees to come. Where are they all going to go? Assad has chased his people out of his country; those that he didn't kill, torture and main for life. You can't say this holocaust didn't have an effect on the West. But it's not the effect that you think. The refugees are not bringing crime, they're not bringing drugs, and they're not rapists. Those who are, were already there. No, they ARE good people, in spite of what Trump says. The BAD people are Trump, the Brexit mongers, Le Pen, Putin and all the other fascist demagogues who are taking political advantage of the xenophobia. Period; end of story.

1.  Eric, I do make minimum wage because H1-B's replaced me. So yeah, there's lots of stuff I'd like to see happen.  It goes like this. If you're IT and over 40, it's over, period. That's why I want lots of "reforms", mostly which do a huge smackdown on  CEO/corporate America.  Shutting down access to cheap labor here in the US is one of those prongs. There may be a trace of Boomer in me after all. I DESERVE to be paid better.   I want that fatter paycheck to come out of the hides of said CEO's/corporate America. That's why I also want a VAT tax/single payer health plan. A VAT tax is perfect for smacking anyone who attempts to import cheap stuff including outsourced labor from overseas like call centers in India.  I don't think we disagree much on domestic economics except for cheap labor that American citizens should do including legal immigrants.  I have no issues at all with legal immigration. I do have issues with illegal immigration because that opens the door to exploitation and wage suppression.  Besides, should we use Mexico's policies towards immigration? Of course I also recognize that the US needs to shut down the war on drugs since that is fucking Mexico over. It's not all Mexico's fault and I know that.

Quote:2. A lot of Europe's problems stem from Qaddafi not being there.  Clinton and her Neocon friends are who I blame for that one. If Qaddafi were still in power, then there would not be this huge human smuggling problem going on.

Quote:3. As for Europe,  it's gonna blow.  Some nice, some not so nice... I think there's a lot of fuel for said demagogues there.  Perhaps tuss can put his 2 cents worth since he lives in Sverige.

(02-19-2017, 07:13 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: [quote pid='21523' dateline='1487489265']
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Rags, unless you're making minimum wage in some service or farm job, illegal aliens are no threat to your income. The raise you haven't had is because of the bosses who refuse to give you one, just like George Carlin and Bernie Sanders said. The rich cocksuckers are grabbing all the wealth for themselves. CEOs make 300 times what their employees make. Minimum wages are ridiculously low, and that affects other wages. Blaming the immigrants is an effective campaign for demagogues, but that's ALL it is.

Europe has very little to fear from the flood of refugees. Maybe one or two got in through the flood. But the terrorists there were entirely people who lived there long before Assad's terror forced all those refugees to come. Where are they all going to go? Assad has chased his people out of his country; those that he didn't kill, torture and main for life. You can't say this holocaust didn't have an effect on the West. But it's not the effect that you think. The refugees are not bringing crime, they're not bringing drugs, and they're not rapists. Those who are, were already there. No, they ARE good people, in spite of what Trump says. The BAD people are Trump, the Brexit mongers, Le Pen, Putin and all the other fascist demagogues who are taking political advantage of the xenophobia. Period; end of story.

Quote:2. A lot of Europe's problems stem from Qaddafi not being there.  Clinton and her Neocon friends are who I blame for that one. If Qaddafi were still in power, then there would not be this huge human smuggling problem going on.

Quote:3. As for Europe,  it's gonna blow.  Some nice, some not so nice... I think there's a lot of fuel for said demagogues there.  Perhaps tuss can put his 2 cents worth since he lives in Sverige.

(02-19-2017, 06:30 PM)ImpalaMama Wrote: From my experience as a mother of 4 children born between 1991-2001, I can DEFINITELY say that the minimum earliest year for Adaptive Generation is 2001.

I myself was a "cusper" born in 1960, so I am very aware of the nuances of a generational change. Most of the parents of my 1990's babies were Boomers or early wave Gen Xers, but Boomers were squarely in charge of the child nurture universe. Since I was a last year cohort of the Boom and had my last child at 41, I saw how things changed almost from his birth and as his childhood has progressed. He is a freshman in High School now.
The parents of children of his peers were GenXers and were increasingly smothering in their child rearing practices.

For example, when he was a baby, mandatory vaccines for infants increased to include Hep A, Chicken pox and Prevnar.  When he was a toddler, Mandatory Child safety seats began to be required not just for infants and toddlers, but for children all the way up to 10 years old.  Urine Drug screens for pregnant women are mandatory in increasingly more states, along with mandatory reporting to DHS/CPS of any mothers who test positive.  In some states mandatory fetal stool is being tested for drugs., Babies and even older Children are being removed from the care of a mother where the expectant mother or the fecal stool tested positive for weed but no harder drugs.  War is being waged on childhood obesity....public service ads are out there admonishing parents to make sure their children get out and play. Toddlers are more adept with smartphones and tablets than their parents.  A decade ago, unless a teen was affluent, spoiled rotten, or a drug dealer they usually didn't have even a cell phone. Now kids in elementary school have smartphones. 

These are just a few examples I have noticed. 

Strauss/Howe have repeatedly stated that quite often it is difficult to know when and where a generational line truly can be definitively set until further down the line as events occur. I can safely say from my own experience, it would 2001 as the earliest. S/H often clash with others as to the boundaries of generations---such as for years the "Boom" generation was set from 1946-1964, but S/H set it as 1943-1960. I totally agreed with that! Because even though I lived through the same years as 1961-1964 cohorts and witnessed events from that perspective, I find it far easier to relate to and identify with people a 1-4 years older than myself than those 1-4 years younger.

(02-19-2017, 06:30 PM)ImpalaMama Wrote:  A decade ago, unless a teen was affluent, spoiled rotten, or a drug dealer they usually didn't have even a cell phone. Now kids in elementary school have smartphones. 

(02-21-2017, 01:45 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(02-18-2017, 10:01 AM)Odin Wrote:

(02-18-2017, 08:53 AM)FLBones Wrote: The early 1920s had a red scare. By that definition, the 1920s were the start of 4T, which is wrong. Same argument applies to 9/11. 4T didn't start until 2008.

If you compare the ages of the current generations with the ones to the late 1930s, they are almost identical to what we see today.

Exactly. The only people I see nowadays insisting that 9/11 was the start of the 4T are Fascists are other far-right fucks thirsting for a holy war in the Middle East.

^ Word. This is right on.

(10-22-2018, 07:49 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote: My take on this is such:
There was a change in culture in 2006/7 (MySpace, iPhone). Those who remember the world before it, are millennials. Those who don't are iPhone generation. Because our first memories start at age 3-4, the appropriate date to begin a new generation is 2003.

More controversially I think the end of generation X should moved to 1985 or so, since the difference with millennials here would be remembering or not the Cold War.

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