(04-25-2020, 02:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(04-25-2020, 02:44 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Right. I hope this might knock off a point from his job approval rating. This gaffe is getting a lot of traction; deservedly so. But his base is incredibly obtuse, so I dunno.

It may be gaining traction among liberals and liberal media outlets but I'd say most people know sarcasm when they see it and don't take it to serious these days.

(04-26-2020, 12:04 AM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(04-25-2020, 02:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(04-25-2020, 02:44 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Right. I hope this might knock off a point from his job approval rating. This gaffe is getting a lot of traction; deservedly so. But his base is incredibly obtuse, so I dunno.

It may be gaining traction among liberals and liberal media outlets but I'd say most people know sarcasm when they see it and don't take it to serious these days.

I don't know about that.  Reports are that there has since been a significant increase in poisonings in New York City.

Given NYC is hard left, I'd say some of the leftists reading those liberal media outlets actually believed it was serious and took the out of context "advice".

(05-15-2020, 08:24 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Warren prolly made that stuff up.  He never did link to a source.  The one real article I found had mostly conservative callers calling to ask if what Trump said was right.  They got an emphatic no from the poison control centers, but not even the Trump believers were dumb enough not to double check.

(05-15-2020, 07:20 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Libtards lack a sense of humor so they wouldn't know sarcasm if it danced naked in front of them singing "Sarcastic Sarcasm is over here".

(05-15-2020, 07:20 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(04-25-2020, 02:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(04-25-2020, 02:44 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Right. I hope this might knock off a point from his job approval rating. This gaffe is getting a lot of traction; deservedly so. But his base is incredibly obtuse, so I dunno.

It may be gaining traction among liberals and liberal media outlets but I'd say most people know sarcasm when they see it and don't take it to serious these days.

Libtards lack a sense of humor so they wouldn't know sarcasm if it danced naked in front of them singing "Sarcastic Sarcasm is over here".

(05-17-2020, 01:44 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(05-15-2020, 07:20 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(04-25-2020, 02:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(04-25-2020, 02:44 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Right. I hope this might knock off a point from his job approval rating. This gaffe is getting a lot of traction; deservedly so. But his base is incredibly obtuse, so I dunno.

It may be gaining traction among liberals and liberal media outlets but I'd say most people know sarcasm when they see it and don't take it to serious these days.

Libtards lack a sense of humor so they wouldn't know sarcasm if it danced naked in front of them singing "Sarcastic Sarcasm is over here".

As one excessively prone to sarcasm as a response to the cruel, absurd, and inexcusable... and I can see no viable alternative to such without breaking into tears  or righteous indignation I fault the one who expresses sarcasm incompetently for my failure to get it. Know that this is an ad within a news story.





Bad leaders blame the media and the voters.

(05-17-2020, 12:19 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(05-15-2020, 07:20 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Libtards lack a sense of humor so they wouldn't know sarcasm if it danced naked in front of them singing "Sarcastic Sarcasm is over here".

Often conservatives trying to make light of death turn them off.

(05-17-2020, 07:44 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Who said I was a conservative?  

(05-17-2020, 07:53 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(05-17-2020, 07:44 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Who said I was a conservative?  

Your father whom you so rabidly support is an elite.  Even in your Communist days you were in support or the elite's line, as the party controlled the means of production.  You have always identified with the elites, not the people.

(05-17-2020, 07:44 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(05-17-2020, 12:19 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(05-15-2020, 07:20 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Libtards lack a sense of humor so they wouldn't know sarcasm if it danced naked in front of them singing "Sarcastic Sarcasm is over here".

Often conservatives trying to make light of death turn them off.

Who said I was a conservative?  

Rather, I'd argue that Libtards never had a sense of humor to start with.  Humor is in short supply on the left, I know because I spent many years there.

(05-17-2020, 08:28 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Good thing you're not in charge of words then.  

(05-18-2020, 05:42 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(05-17-2020, 08:28 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Good thing you're not in charge of words then.  

I’ve generally been of the Republican / conservative / red against Democrat / progressive / blue labeling school.  No reason to change now.  If they call themselves conservative, that’s good enough for me.  If you have suddenly become a fan of the leader of that faction, you are stuck with the label.

But I sympathize with the dictionary definition of the word being at odds with their actual policies.  The problem with being the party of the elites is that there are not enough elites to win an election.  You have to grab onto enough populist issues to actually win.  Thus you get a weird connections.  In the late Gilded Age they were isolationists, but by Bush 43’s time they were Neo Cons pushing Neo Colonialism.  In Lincoln’s time they were pushing the northern Robber Baron perspective and black rights.  By Nixon’s and Reagan’s time it was the Southern Strategy.  In short, they have flip flopped so many times over the years that their approach of winning at all costs has not left them with much in the way of a one word comprehensive strategy.

But the key is that you are an owner.  You know who butters your bread.  You have always favored the elites over the people.  That puts you on the red side, and the red side.  It is all natural for one who values green paper more than grandma.

(05-18-2020, 05:50 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: CNN has an article on the Millennials having to face two once in a generation economic disasters, the 2008 collapse and the COVID 19 collapse.  Thus they have much less in reserve than most.  I'm sort of wondering what they expected when they are part of electing two Voodoo presidents?

(05-18-2020, 05:42 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(05-17-2020, 08:28 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Good thing you're not in charge of words then.  

I’ve generally been of the Republican / conservative / red against Democrat / progressive / blue labeling school.  No reason to change now.  If they call themselves conservative, that’s good enough for me.  If you have suddenly become a fan of the leader of that faction, you are stuck with the label.

But I sympathize with the dictionary definition of the word being at odds with their actual policies.  The problem with being the party of the elites is that there are not enough elites to win an election.  You have to grab onto enough populist issues to actually win.  Thus you get a weird connections.  In the late Gilded Age they were isolationists, but by Bush 43’s time they were Neo Cons pushing Neo Colonialism.  In Lincoln’s time they were pushing the northern Robber Baron perspective and black rights.  By Nixon’s and Reagan’s time it was the Southern Strategy.  In short, they have flip flopped so many times over the years that their approach of winning at all costs has not left them with much in the way of a one word comprehensive strategy.

But the key is that you are an owner.  You know who butters your bread.  You have always favored the elites over the people.  That puts you on the red side, and the red side.  It is all natural for one who values green paper more than grandma.

(05-18-2020, 05:50 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: CNN has an article on the Millennials having to face two once in a generation economic disasters, the 2008 collapse and the COVID 19 collapse.  Thus they have much less in reserve than most.  I'm sort of wondering what they expected when they are part of electing two Voodoo presidents?

(05-18-2020, 06:36 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(05-18-2020, 05:42 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(05-17-2020, 08:28 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Good thing you're not in charge of words then.  

I’ve generally been of the Republican / conservative / red against Democrat / progressive / blue labeling school.  No reason to change now.  If they call themselves conservative, that’s good enough for me.  If you have suddenly become a fan of the leader of that faction, you are stuck with the label.

But I sympathize with the dictionary definition of the word being at odds with their actual policies.  The problem with being the party of the elites is that there are not enough elites to win an election.  You have to grab onto enough populist issues to actually win.  Thus you get a weird connections.  In the late Gilded Age they were isolationists, but by Bush 43’s time they were Neo Cons pushing Neo Colonialism.  In Lincoln’s time they were pushing the northern Robber Baron perspective and black rights.  By Nixon’s and Reagan’s time it was the Southern Strategy.  In short, they have flip flopped so many times over the years that their approach of winning at all costs has not left them with much in the way of a one word comprehensive strategy.

But the key is that you are an owner.  You know who butters your bread.  You have always favored the elites over the people.  That puts you on the red side, and the red side.  It is all natural for one who values green paper more than grandma.

I'll have to agree with Kinser -- a least a little.  We're in the midst of a transition to <insert the ideology of choice> on the right.  That really means that the right is now just as confused about themselves as the left.  Let's agree that neoliberalism has run its course, but powerful neoliberals still control the Democratic Party.  This should be their last hurrah, with the only Silent running for President with a real chance of getting there.  On the GOP side, its their version of neoliberals and neocons that are in decline, and the hyper nationalists on the rise.  That qualifies as a realignment in my book, but its hell-and-gone from complete on either side.  Because the GOP is the more regimented party, the transition there has been more sudden and less well planned.

(05-18-2020, 08:34 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: But barring some disaster of epic proportions Trump will be re-elected in 2020

(05-18-2020, 08:34 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: After 2024 the 1T will have started and we'll be in store for the Mega-Crisis that I predicted.

(05-18-2020, 06:13 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(05-18-2020, 05:42 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(05-17-2020, 08:28 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Good thing you're not in charge of words then.  

I’ve generally been of the Republican / conservative / red against Democrat / progressive / blue labeling school.  No reason to change now.  If they call themselves conservative, that’s good enough for me.  If you have suddenly become a fan of the leader of that faction, you are stuck with the label.

But I sympathize with the dictionary definition of the word being at odds with their actual policies.  The problem with being the party of the elites is that there are not enough elites to win an election.  You have to grab onto enough populist issues to actually win.  Thus you get a weird connections.  In the late Gilded Age they were isolationists, but by Bush 43’s time they were Neo Cons pushing Neo Colonialism.  In Lincoln’s time they were pushing the northern Robber Baron perspective and black rights.  By Nixon’s and Reagan’s time it was the Southern Strategy.  In short, they have flip flopped so many times over the years that their approach of winning at all costs has not left them with much in the way of a one word comprehensive strategy.

But the key is that you are an owner.  You know who butters your bread.  You have always favored the elites over the people.  That puts you on the red side, and the red side.  It is all natural for one who values green paper more than grandma.

Then you have a problem because the same is true of the Democratic Party as well.  They have flipped and twisted and turned so many times that it makes the head spin.  And just like the GOP they have always held the interests of the ruling elite be they Slave holders or the Ku Kluxists or what have you.  Yes, the Democrats sometimes have those who are agents of change in their party leadership.  Same is true of GOP as well.  They typically drag the rest of their coalition kicking and screaming into a new era.  Or have you forgotten about your Avatar's Cousin?

Quote:If you doubt my reasoning behind my mistrust of the Democrats then perhaps you really really really need to watch Dinesh D'Souza's films on the subject.

Quote:  Otherwise I'm not particularly concerned with defending the Republican Party because to me it is a vehicle to an end and not an end in and of itself.  After all, there is much whining from the Reddest of the Reds that "Donald Trump isn't a 'true conservative'".  And they are right.  He isn't.  He's a New York City Business Democrat who was disaffected by the "Progressive" identity politics crowd that is now in charge of that Party.  His policies are very much that of a Business Democrat.  In fact I have already told my mother, much to her chagrin--which is mostly why I used it, that I fully supported the Democratic Nominee Donald J. Trump. Mind you I pretty much consider the President to be running unopposed at this point, if you actually listen to Biden and ignore the fact that he's in the other party and supposedly running for president he sounds like a senile old man. 

Quote: As for valuing dollars over grandma.  Both of my grandmothers are dead.  And as such other people's grandmothers are only of interest to me if they are giving me money.  However, if granny is under such threat from the Carona then granny perhaps should not go out licking the subway. Consider me to be cruel or whatever, but I expect those with white hair to act with at least some degree of wisdom (or maybe just common sense) and those who can't or won't do that then they would better serve humanity by shucking off their mortal coil. That being said since this disease mostly kills the immune compromised and the elderly I think we should be looking at it as a blessing rather than a curse. 

Quote:As for your labeling:  I don't mind Red.  Or even Republican (I am registered as a Republican due to Florida's Primary Election Laws).  I am not however a conservative.  I simply don't fit the definition the dictionary lays out and the GOP is not a conservative party just like the Democrats are not a liberal/progressive one; the structure of the American Party System simply doesn't lead to clear divisions like Europe has, or even fuzzy edges like Canada.