(10-06-2020, 03:07 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The police are the legitimate authority, and they are usually too busy busting meth labs, nabbing DUI offenders, and interfering in violent family arguments to interfere in the electoral process. Few of us would want them interfering in the electoral process.

I trust that if anyone tried to intimidate voters with the aid of some unofficial militia the local police would tell members of such militia that they can go somewhere else on their own or go to jail in a squad car. State police would back that up. There is a reliable number for dispersing such a militia:

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(10-06-2020, 04:16 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 03:07 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The police are the legitimate authority, and they are usually too busy busting meth labs, nabbing DUI offenders, and interfering in violent family arguments to interfere in the electoral process. Few of us would want them interfering in the electoral process.

I trust that if anyone tried to intimidate voters with the aid of some unofficial militia the local police would tell members of such militia that they can go somewhere else on their own or go to jail in a squad car. State police would back that up. There is a reliable number for dispersing such a militia:

9-1-1

The police are no longer the legitimate authority these days. Black Lives Matter and Antifa are now the legitimate authority today. If you need help, you best call them. If you need a loaf of bread, you best learn to call them as well.

(10-06-2020, 05:01 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 04:16 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 03:07 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The police are the legitimate authority, and they are usually too busy busting meth labs, nabbing DUI offenders, and interfering in violent family arguments to interfere in the electoral process. Few of us would want them interfering in the electoral process.

I trust that if anyone tried to intimidate voters with the aid of some unofficial militia the local police would tell members of such militia that they can go somewhere else on their own or go to jail in a squad car. State police would back that up. There is a reliable number for dispersing such a militia:

9-1-1

The police are no longer the legitimate authority these days. Black Lives Matter and Antifa are now the legitimate authority today. If you need help, you best call them. If you need a loaf of bread, you best learn to call them as well.

So when was the last time you called BLM and Antifa for help?  America on Earth 2 is getting pretty pathetic.

(10-06-2020, 04:16 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 03:07 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The police are the legitimate authority, and they are usually too busy busting meth labs, nabbing DUI offenders, and interfering in violent family arguments to interfere in the electoral process. Few of us would want them interfering in the electoral process.

I trust that if anyone tried to intimidate voters with the aid of some unofficial militia the local police would tell members of such militia that they can go somewhere else on their own or go to jail in a squad car. State police would back that up. There is a reliable number for dispersing such a militia:

9-1-1

The police are no longer the legitimate authority these days. Black Lives Matter and Antifa are now the legitimate authority today. If you need help, you best call them. If you need a loaf of bread, you best learn to call them as well.

(10-06-2020, 06:15 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 04:16 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 03:07 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The police are the legitimate authority, and they are usually too busy busting meth labs, nabbing DUI offenders, and interfering in violent family arguments to interfere in the electoral process. Few of us would want them interfering in the electoral process.

I trust that if anyone tried to intimidate voters with the aid of some unofficial militia the local police would tell members of such militia that they can go somewhere else on their own or go to jail in a squad car. State police would back that up. There is a reliable number for dispersing such a militia:

9-1-1

The police are no longer the legitimate authority these days. Black Lives Matter and Antifa are now the legitimate authority today. If you need help, you best call them. If you need a loaf of bread, you best learn to call them as well.

You must be confusing Black Lives Matters with the Black Panthers. 

You seem to be cracking up. Get help before you do something preventable yet inexcusable!

Black Lives Matters events are intended to be polite, peaceful protest. If I saw something else I would call the cops. People who take camcorders to document police brutality are more likely to document rioter brutality or other other crimes. Rioters are not Black Lives Matter or Antifa. 

We liberals are for law and order but against criminal brutality by police which does nothing to create domestic tranquility. Many of us take cameras, still or motion picture, to document events. If we see looting or other crime we know where to take the photographic or video evidence.

(10-06-2020, 07:40 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 06:15 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 04:16 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 03:07 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The police are the legitimate authority, and they are usually too busy busting meth labs, nabbing DUI offenders, and interfering in violent family arguments to interfere in the electoral process. Few of us would want them interfering in the electoral process.

I trust that if anyone tried to intimidate voters with the aid of some unofficial militia the local police would tell members of such militia that they can go somewhere else on their own or go to jail in a squad car. State police would back that up. There is a reliable number for dispersing such a militia:

9-1-1

The police are no longer the legitimate authority these days. Black Lives Matter and Antifa are now the legitimate authority today. If you need help, you best call them. If you need a loaf of bread, you best learn to call them as well.

You must be confusing Black Lives Matters with the Black Panthers. 

You seem to be cracking up. Get help before you do something preventable yet inexcusable!

Black Lives Matters events are intended to be polite, peaceful protest. If I saw something else I would call the cops. People who take camcorders to document police brutality are more likely to document rioter brutality or other other crimes. Rioters are not Black Lives Matter or Antifa. 

We liberals are for law and order but against criminal brutality by police which does nothing to create domestic tranquility. Many of us take cameras, still or motion picture, to document events. If we see looting or other crime we know where to take the photographic or video evidence.

Black Lives Matter is today's version of the Black Panthers. Whatever...  America doesn't care because America mainly views them as a Democratic problem these days.

(10-06-2020, 09:53 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I have been recently watching MSNBC most nights.  Today seemed a fairly eventful night.  A few items.

An hour before the stock market closed, Trump tweeted a stop to the COVID stimulation bill working through Congress.  This immediately caused the stock marked to take a pretty big dive.  Apparently, somebody talked sense into him and he has flipped on the issue, but there were a bunch of people scratching their heads.  This was a particularly bad move politically.

Nancy’s reaction was less outrage for the American people and more to wonder aloud if the drug treatment being given Trump for the virus was effecting his mind.  This was a major theme for the night.  One of the guest doctors reminded the audience of what they might have felt like when they took the oral steroid version common for inflammation.  I know I did once.  You feel like Superman, ready to go out and mow lawns and reroof houses.  Trump’s medication is the same only worse, an intravenous version that produces the same effect but exaggerated.  The steroids are mind altering.  The low oxygen levels are mind altering.  COVID itself is mind altering, impeding one’s mental acuity including the ability to judge any loss of mental acuity.  In short, Trump is a bit crazy and that assumes generously that when he is normal he is normal.  The drive around Walter Read is fairly consistent with the pattern, the need to go out and do something.

The not quite spoken thought is that the cabinet should remove him temporarily.

Meanwhile Pence reportedly saw Trump in the Oval Office two days before Trump developed symptoms.  This could easily have made him contagious at the time.  Thus, Pence could go through the same thing.  Hopefully he will remain non symptomatic, will not require anywhere near the same level of treatment.

It was noted that about 3/4 of Americans thought a next round of COVID relief was more important that the Supreme Court appointment.

Another segment confirmed Dave’s noting of polls now showing Biden over Trump in the vicinity of 15%.

(10-07-2020, 07:32 AM)User3451 Wrote: I think Trump has finally crossed the line with voters. What was he thinking? 

Biden will be up nationally by 20 points or more next week.

I have a feeling the fireworks are just getting started and Trump may scorch the earth and salt the fields on his way out the door.

(10-06-2020, 07:40 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 06:15 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 04:16 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 03:07 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The police are the legitimate authority, and they are usually too busy busting meth labs, nabbing DUI offenders, and interfering in violent family arguments to interfere in the electoral process. Few of us would want them interfering in the electoral process.

I trust that if anyone tried to intimidate voters with the aid of some unofficial militia the local police would tell members of such militia that they can go somewhere else on their own or go to jail in a squad car. State police would back that up. There is a reliable number for dispersing such a militia:

9-1-1

The police are no longer the legitimate authority these days. Black Lives Matter and Antifa are now the legitimate authority today. If you need help, you best call them. If you need a loaf of bread, you best learn to call them as well.

You must be confusing Black Lives Matters with the Black Panthers. 

You seem to be cracking up. Get help before you do something preventable yet inexcusable!

Black Lives Matters events are intended to be polite, peaceful protest. If I saw something else I would call the cops. People who take camcorders to document police brutality are more likely to document rioter brutality or other other crimes. Rioters are not Black Lives Matter or Antifa. 

We liberals are for law and order but against criminal brutality by police which does nothing to create domestic tranquility. Many of us take cameras, still or motion picture, to document events. If we see looting or other crime we know where to take the photographic or video evidence.

Black Lives Matter is today's version of the Black Panthers. Whatever...  America doesn't care because America mainly views them as a Democratic problem these days.

(10-07-2020, 08:48 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 07:40 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Black Lives Matter is today's version of the Black Panthers. Whatever...  America doesn't care because America mainly views them as a Democratic problem these days.

Your idea of what constitutes America is very different from mine. We all have the responsibility to accommodate statutory law as a basic minimum of decency in behavior. We have no obligation to accept that any people are second-class citizens or worse.

People very different from me can be just as American as I am.

(10-07-2020, 09:13 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(10-07-2020, 08:48 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 07:40 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Black Lives Matter is today's version of the Black Panthers. Whatever...  America doesn't care because America mainly views them as a Democratic problem these days.

Your idea of what constitutes America is very different from mine. We all have the responsibility to accommodate statutory law as a basic minimum of decency in behavior. We have no obligation to accept that any people are second-class citizens or worse.

People very different from me can be just as American as I am.

The Black Panthers were roughly comparable with today's Antifa.  They are willing to go violent if the opposition does.  Black Lives Matter is more compatible with Martin Luther King's Civil Rights protest.  Their objective is to protest, not look for an excuse for violence.

Quote:The difference is one between tribal thinking and more abstract principle like 'all men are created equal.'  There is no denying the Cavalier culture contains a dash of tribal thinking, and that the Cavalier heirs contributed much to America, as did the Roundheads.  To this day, people can be incredibly stubborn in clinging to one or the other.  Stubborn or principled, depending on whether one is talking about them or us.  Still, Classic calling only one pattern American is rather obtuse even for him.

(10-07-2020, 06:19 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 07:40 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 06:15 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 04:16 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 03:07 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The police are the legitimate authority, and they are usually too busy busting meth labs, nabbing DUI offenders, and interfering in violent family arguments to interfere in the electoral process. Few of us would want them interfering in the electoral process.

I trust that if anyone tried to intimidate voters with the aid of some unofficial militia the local police would tell members of such militia that they can go somewhere else on their own or go to jail in a squad car. State police would back that up. There is a reliable number for dispersing such a militia:

9-1-1

The police are no longer the legitimate authority these days. Black Lives Matter and Antifa are now the legitimate authority today. If you need help, you best call them. If you need a loaf of bread, you best learn to call them as well.

You must be confusing Black Lives Matters with the Black Panthers. 

You seem to be cracking up. Get help before you do something preventable yet inexcusable!

Black Lives Matters events are intended to be polite, peaceful protest. If I saw something else I would call the cops. People who take camcorders to document police brutality are more likely to document rioter brutality or other other crimes. Rioters are not Black Lives Matter or Antifa. 

We liberals are for law and order but against criminal brutality by police which does nothing to create domestic tranquility. Many of us take cameras, still or motion picture, to document events. If we see looting or other crime we know where to take the photographic or video evidence.

Black Lives Matter is today's version of the Black Panthers. Whatever...  America doesn't care because America mainly views them as a Democratic problem these days.

We don't care if you guys think you are America.

(10-07-2020, 05:04 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-07-2020, 06:19 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 07:40 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 06:15 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 04:16 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The police are no longer the legitimate authority these days. Black Lives Matter and Antifa are now the legitimate authority today. If you need help, you best call them. If you need a loaf of bread, you best learn to call them as well.

You must be confusing Black Lives Matters with the Black Panthers. 

You seem to be cracking up. Get help before you do something preventable yet inexcusable!

Black Lives Matters events are intended to be polite, peaceful protest. If I saw something else I would call the cops. People who take camcorders to document police brutality are more likely to document rioter brutality or other other crimes. Rioters are not Black Lives Matter or Antifa. 

We liberals are for law and order but against criminal brutality by police which does nothing to create domestic tranquility. Many of us take cameras, still or motion picture, to document events. If we see looting or other crime we know where to take the photographic or video evidence.

Black Lives Matter is today's version of the Black Panthers. Whatever...  America doesn't care because America mainly views them as a Democratic problem these days.

We don't care if you guys think you are America.

We don't have to think about it, we know we are Americans. Liberal's like you have to think about it and ask silly questions or question it too.

(10-07-2020, 09:13 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(10-07-2020, 08:48 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(10-06-2020, 07:40 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Black Lives Matter is today's version of the Black Panthers. Whatever...  America doesn't care because America mainly views them as a Democratic problem these days.

Your idea of what constitutes America is very different from mine. We all have the responsibility to accommodate statutory law as a basic minimum of decency in behavior. We have no obligation to accept that any people are second-class citizens or worse.

People very different from me can be just as American as I am.

The Black Panthers were roughly comparable with today's Antifa.  They are willing to go violent if the opposition does.  Black Lives Matter is more compatible with Martin Luther King's Civil Rights protest.  Their objective is to protest, not look for an excuse for violence.

The difference is one between tribal thinking and more abstract principle like 'all men are created equal.'  There is no denying the Cavalier culture contains a dash of tribal thinking, and that the Cavalier heirs contributed much to America, as did the Roundheads.  To this day, people can be incredibly stubborn in clinging to one or the other.  Stubborn or principled, depending on whether one is talking about them or us.  Still, Classic calling only one pattern American is rather obtuse even for him.

(10-07-2020, 05:19 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: We don't care if you supposedly "know" you are Americans either. And it's very clear that you haven't the slightest idea what "America" means. And we also know that you guys don't think. You just react from herd insti

(10-07-2020, 08:56 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Do you associate MLK with armed thugs, rioting, looting, destruction of property, using intimidation (physical, emotional, symbolism or mere presence) and violence as a means to persuade people and achieve political goals? I don't but do you? If you don't, why do you view Black Lives Matter as being compatible. You don't seem to understand that there's two sides to Black Lives Matter and all you seem to hear about is the good side and you don't seem to see or hear about the bad side of Black Lives Matter. You're not alone there's a group of basketball team owner's who made the same mistake as you. I've seen both. MLK stuck with his core American principles/values and succeeded because he refused to associate and be associated with radical Left Wing groups like Black Lives Matter.

(10-07-2020, 09:37 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-07-2020, 05:19 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: We don't care if you supposedly "know" you are Americans either. And it's very clear that you haven't the slightest idea what "America" means. And we also know that you guys don't think. You just react from herd insti

The fuck we don't, we think for a living while you guys find ways to live off the same group/tribe. It too bad that you you don't know what an American is or what their about  or what America means or means to us at this point in your life. You're one of the dumbest people that I've ever met and I've met a lot of people.