(05-30-2020, 02:00 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Do you and today's left truly represent the arrow of progress these days? You seem to think so. Yes, the arrow of progress is real. I think it's about time         for blue culture to change its ways but I suspect blue culture will continue fucking up like it's been fucking up until it can no longer get away with fucking up or no longer  afford to fuck up.

(05-30-2020, 06:58 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(05-30-2020, 02:00 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Do you and today's left truly represent the arrow of progress these days? You seem to think so. Yes, the arrow of progress is real. I think it's about time         for blue culture to change its ways but I suspect blue culture will continue fucking up like it's been fucking up until it can no longer get away with fucking up or no longer  afford to fuck up.

Equality.  The Republicans are the party of racists and elites.  LBJ and MLK allied, picking up the black vote.  Nixon responded with the Southern Strategy, picking up the racist vote, and ending the progressive era.  Trump became cheerleader for the racists, stoking the violence for his personal benefit.  Recent events are a partial result.

So, yes, today’s left does represent the arrow of progress.  So yes, the conservatives have to resort to the sky is green crazy logic to try to justify themselves.  They are no less evil and no less wrong than conservatives always have been.

Every two or four generations there is a rebellion as those who have been denied equality demand a major step forward.  This is one of those times.  Always before, sometimes through non violence, sometime through other means, this has resulted in a step forward.  

Those who believe in racism will resist.  I am mildly disgusted but not surprised that you have proved yourself one of them.

(05-29-2020, 05:48 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: KKK and Nazi fascists keep surfacing in America. Most of them are tiny cults with their own Fuehrers and Imperial Wizards...

I really hate describing the president as a fascist, but he fits too many fascist characteristics.

(05-30-2020, 02:22 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(05-29-2020, 05:48 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(05-29-2020, 12:03 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(05-28-2020, 11:17 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(05-28-2020, 01:01 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: From CNN, Trump is set to announce an executive order against social media companies

Sounds like some social media companies are adding fact checks to Trump's lies, so this is an attempt at using the government to establish political censorship.  He ought to have lots of legal trouble with this one.

Except that large gatherings of any kind are as unsafe as if there were a secret police agency watching and recording everything, and people seem to disappear without a trace...  except that the danger is of a destructive, insidious, and highly-communicable virus... people would be protesting this. I would, even if we had a Stasi, KGB, or Mississippi Sovereignty Commission snooping around.

We need to take this President down in November, and before that we need to gut his authority in every way possible. I think of a slogan that fits this time well:

ABORT FASCISM NOW!

Yes, Donald Trump really is a fascist pig. He made the mistake of trying to purge the GOP before shutting down the Democrats, which is the one thing that he got completely wrong in his attempt to establish a dictatorship.

We already aborted fascism a long time ago. I hope you aren't dumb enough to go for it thinking it's socialism instead. I wouldn't put it passed you at this point.

KKK and Nazi fascists keep surfacing in America. Most of them are tiny cults with their own Fuehrers and Imperial Wizards...

I really hate describing the president as a fascist, but he fits too many fascist characteristics.

Are they out burning down and looting portions of American cities and destroying police precincts these days? I suggest that you pull your head out of your ass and wake up.

(05-30-2020, 02:10 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I think most Americans if not all would agree that Trump is an asshole and probably agree that most American men and women are assholes too.

(05-30-2020, 02:48 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I’m not worried much about violence.  I know you are obsessed with it and like to invoke it without being willing to involve yourself.  I just monitor the spiral of violence, check against reality.  It seems to be going nowhere.

I don’t think of myself as privileged.  I just post a lot on these forums, as do you.

I can agree on super delegates.  The Democratic Party seems to like to load the voting with their establishment.  I would concur it should be removed.  If I haven’t raved on that lately, I am somewhat remiss.

As long as the other party is corrupted by racists, a black caucus seems prudent.  When it is no longer thought necessary, I will celebrate.

We don’t cling to Marxism.  My own thought is that Marx diagnosed the problem correctly, but his followers just became the new elite, controllers of the means of production, more concerned about the party than the people.  This is the Asian flavor of so called socialism, having nothing to do with the European flavor which retains the original meaning of the government working for the people.  I know you keep deluding yourself.  I can only repeat that in the obvious lie I do not recognize myself and do not recognize any other blue people I know.  I should try to clear your delusions, but in your case this seems somewhat futile.  You just repeat your delusions.

Every once in a while, years of inequality results in a demand that we become more equal.  This is a feature, not a bug.  If the racists remain stubborn, the move from non violence to other becomes stronger.  Again, I remain disappointed you are siding with the racists.

Again, in response to your rant childishly speaking of violence, I will point again at the spiral of violence.  Not a worry

(05-30-2020, 07:40 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(05-30-2020, 02:10 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I think most Americans if not all would agree that Trump is an asshole and probably agree that most American men and women are assholes too.

I assume that you are using your own definition of 'American' which translates to those hypothetical people that supposedly agree with you.

So, most of the hypothetical people who agree with you think they are {expletive deleted]?  I assume you are one as well?

(05-30-2020, 10:01 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(05-30-2020, 07:40 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(05-30-2020, 02:10 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I think most Americans if not all would agree that Trump is an asshole and probably agree that most American men and women are assholes too.

I assume that you are using your own definition of 'American' which translates to those hypothetical people that supposedly agree with you.

So, most of the hypothetical people who agree with you think they are {expletive deleted]?  I assume you are one as well?

I'm an asshole. I've shown it many times. It takes an asshole to effectively counter an asshole or get rid of an asshole. You're an asshole too. A hit and run and cry fowl asshole but you're still an asshole. You just won't admit it to me or yourself and lack the integrity to accept the consequences for being one.

(05-30-2020, 03:00 PM)taramarie Wrote: Paul I see your posts all the time here and on facebook and I don't see anywhere where you hate describing the orange goof a fascist as well as the GOP as fascists or at the very least heading towards fascism. Perhaps in America the terms fascist and commies are so over used, people start to lose the idea of what true fascism and communism is. Or they perhaps use those terms for anything they do not like. I truly hope you guys do not have a fascist leaning party in control, but also do not lie. I see you use that term and often. If you would hate using the term, you wouldn't post it so often.

(05-30-2020, 10:51 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(05-30-2020, 03:00 PM)taramarie Wrote: Paul I see your posts all the time here and on facebook and I don't see anywhere where you hate describing the orange goof a fascist as well as the GOP as fascists or at the very least heading towards fascism. Perhaps in America the terms fascist and commies are so over used, people start to lose the idea of what true fascism and communism is. Or they perhaps use those terms for anything they do not like. I truly hope you guys do not have a fascist leaning party in control, but also do not lie. I see you use that term and often. If you would hate using the term, you wouldn't post it so often.

It's mainly a ploy they use to scare ignorant  people into supporting the Democratic party. It's dumb but it seems to work pretty good for them.

(05-30-2020, 10:16 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: You do realize that if you assign a description to everyone, that description becomes essentially useless?  

What would you know about integrity if you commonly describe those who disagree with you in ways which don't fit in the least?

(05-31-2020, 01:38 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(05-30-2020, 10:16 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: You do realize that if you assign a description to everyone, that description becomes essentially useless?  

What would you know about integrity if you commonly describe those who disagree with you in ways which don't fit in the least?

I realize it but do you realize it? I ask because you describe us as racist and associate us with racism all the time. It's pretty much useless with us but that hasn't stopped you and others here from doing it. I assume that it's not useless with the minority voters on your side which is why you and others keep using it as much as you and others do.

Socialism works for the Republicans because it fits and it's now supported by most of the Democrats because the Democrats understand that they can't win without the support of those who either want it/believe in it. Now, socialism may not be your cup of tea but your stuck with the term because the Democratic party is now open as far as socialism these days vs hiding it's association with it like it did for years.

(05-31-2020, 01:38 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(05-30-2020, 10:16 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: You do realize that if you assign a description to everyone, that description becomes essentially useless?  

What would you know about integrity if you commonly describe those who disagree with you in ways which don't fit in the least?

I realize it but do you realize it? I ask because you describe us as racist and associate us with racism all the time. It's pretty much useless with us but that hasn't stopped you and others here from doing it. I assume that it's not useless with the minority voters on your side which is why you and others keep using it as much as you and others do.

Quote:Socialism works for the Republicans because it fits and it's now supported by most of the Democrats because the Democrats understand that they can't win without the support of those who either want it/believe in it. Now, socialism may not be your cup of tea but your stuck with the term because the Democratic party is now open as far as socialism these days vs hiding it's association with it like it did for years.

(05-31-2020, 06:05 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(05-31-2020, 01:38 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(05-30-2020, 10:16 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: You do realize that if you assign a description to everyone, that description becomes essentially useless?  

What would you know about integrity if you commonly describe those who disagree with you in ways which don't fit in the least?

I realize it but do you realize it? I ask because you describe us as racist and associate us with racism all the time. It's pretty much useless with us but that hasn't stopped you and others here from doing it. I assume that it's not useless with the minority voters on your side which is why you and others keep using it as much as you and others do.

Socialism works for the Republicans because it fits and it's now supported by most of the Democrats because the Democrats understand that they can't win without the support of those who either want it/believe in it. Now, socialism may not be your cup of tea but your stuck with the term because the Democratic party is now open as far as socialism these days vs hiding it's association with it like it did for years.

No.  I only apply racism to racists.

Actually, the schtick of calling Democrats Socialist and Republicans fascist has faded somewhat.  A few die hard partisans such as yourself, Eric and Pbower are still stuck a few decades back.

(05-31-2020, 10:11 AM)David Horn Wrote: News flash!  George Will, he of the bow tie and perpetual conservative bent, has started calling people like Trump and others of his ilk, [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/when-american-conservatism-becomes-un-american/2020/05/28/336a953a-a0f6-11ea-b5c9-570a91917d8d_story.html]conservative authoritarians[/url].  If it's reached that far into the old right, it may be immutable.

George Will Wrote:The moral of this story is not that there is theocracy in our future. Rather, it is that American conservatism, when severed from the Enlightenment and its finest result, the American Founding, becomes spectacularly unreasonable and literally un-American.

(05-31-2020, 06:05 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(05-31-2020, 01:38 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(05-30-2020, 10:16 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: You do realize that if you assign a description to everyone, that description becomes essentially useless?  

What would you know about integrity if you commonly describe those who disagree with you in ways which don't fit in the least?

I realize it but do you realize it? I ask because you describe us as racist and associate us with racism all the time. It's pretty much useless with us but that hasn't stopped you and others here from doing it. I assume that it's not useless with the minority voters on your side which is why you and others keep using it as much as you and others do.

Socialism works for the Republicans because it fits and it's now supported by most of the Democrats because the Democrats understand that they can't win without the support of those who either want it/believe in it. Now, socialism may not be your cup of tea but your stuck with the term because the Democratic party is now open as far as socialism these days vs hiding it's association with it like it did for years.

No.  I only apply racism to racists.

Actually, the schtick of calling Democrats Socialist and Republicans fascist has faded somewhat.  A few die hard partisans such as yourself, Eric and Pbower are still stuck a few decades back.

(06-01-2020, 02:26 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I see that you excluded yourself AGAIN. It's sure nice of you to do that for yourself again Bob. I'll be nice too. I'll add in Dave for you. As I mentioned, socialism still exists within the Democratic party. You still have Bernie, AOC and a bunch of socialist minded Democrats in the House and the Senate, a bunch of academics pushing/promoting Marxism ( young attractive AOC is the is the living proof) and teaching racism and bigotry to their young  students too, a bunch of young  Democratic voters still  voting for socialism or socialist programs and a bunch Democratic still receiving handouts and still voting to keep their handouts and a bunch of Democratic politicians promising them  more handouts and socialist programs and passing new bills in Congress that are loaded with more handouts and socialist programs and new funding for new recipients who aren't legal yet.

I was informed by a close friend that he is no longer a Democratic voter and he considers himself an Independent voter now. It took him about fifteen years to start seeing things our way vs the liberal's/Demcrats way. I suggest that you and others start preparing for a parting of ways and start preparing for more violence. You're to ignorant/blind to realize, the Democratic buffer that used to keep the peace between the dominant cultures no longer exists these days. The American right isn't  going to dick around with ghetto slugs, left wing anarchists or college age morons who where masks, orchestrate riots  and   act like the ghetto slugs.    

Bob, you make the mistake of calling me a liar for telling you the truth and others the truth as I see it or know it and do it in a way that says you're not one yourself and you have never lied IN PUBLIC and you have never lied to me PERSONALLY. Well, all I have to say, there will be hell to pay.       Hint: No buffer means direct conflict between the Left and the American right is now evident and more likely going to happen from here on.

(06-01-2020, 05:02 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: ... Marx correctly diagnosed the problem, but his way of solving the problem was a badly flawed failure which virtually no one is eager to repeat.  Even the Chinese Communist Party is working hand in hand with the capitalists these days.  This doesn't mean the problems of a grossly profiteering elite don't need to be solved.  Government for the few rather than the many is a problem.