(06-19-2020, 09:28 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I was doing my usual Rachel news dump, and it seems Trump is not holding back.  

The head of the US broadcast agencies such as Voice of America, Radio Free Europe, Radio Free Asia, etc... has just seen to the retirement of the two permanent heads of the agencies and fired the boards of all the various channels.  These had been traditionally non partisan positions, kept well balanced between the two party's people, but far more into chasing America's perspective rather than any party.  If in the impeachment we caught a glimpse of the non partisan deep state's loyalty to America first and party a distant second, the tradition in the broadcast circle of the US Government has been if anything deeper.

We will have to watch, but it looks like Trump is pulling the pros and replacing them with partisans.  If Fox occasionally bucks up against Trump, he is looking for a media force he can truly control and is displacing the existing bi partisan tradition in the process.

In another move, he seems to be going after the prosecutors chasing down international business irregularities in New York.  Again, he is ignoring a tradition that only people who grew up in the office step up to take over, and has appointed a partisan to take over, including some particular investigations into a dictator he likes.

Summary?  If Trump is starting to recognize that the polls have him as the underdog in the upcoming election, he is pulling the stops and being more Trump like than Trump.  If there are reasons he is becoming unpopular, he is not learning from them, but exaggerating them.  He is converting parts of the government that served America and trying to arrange for them to serve Trump.  

It seems counterproductive to me, but it looks like he is going all in with being himself.

AP Wrote:The Justice Department moved abruptly Friday night to oust Geoffrey S. Berman, the U.S. attorney in Manhattan overseeing key prosecutions of President Donald Trump’s allies and an investigation of his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani. But Berman said he was refusing to leave his post and his ongoing investigations would continue.

(06-19-2020, 09:28 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I was doing my usual Rachel news dump, and it seems Trump is not holding back.  

The head of the US broadcast agencies such as Voice of America, Radio Free Europe, Radio Free Asia, etc... has just seen to the retirement of the two permanent heads of the agencies and fired the boards of all the various channels.  These had been traditionally non partisan positions, kept well balanced between the two party's people, but far more into chasing America's perspective rather than any party.  If in the impeachment we caught a glimpse of the non partisan deep state's loyalty to America first and party a distant second, the tradition in the broadcast circle of the US Government has been if anything deeper.

We will have to watch, but it looks like Trump is pulling the pros and replacing them with partisans.  If Fox occasionally bucks up against Trump, he is looking for a media force he can truly control and is displacing the existing bi partisan tradition in the process.

In another move, he seems to be going after the prosecutors chasing down international business irregularities in New York.  Again, he is ignoring a tradition that only people who grew up in the office step up to take over, and has appointed a partisan to take over, including some particular investigations into a dictator he likes.

Summary?  If Trump is starting to recognize that the polls have him as the underdog in the upcoming election, he is pulling the stops and being more Trump like than Trump.  If there are reasons he is becoming unpopular, he is not learning from them, but exaggerating them.  He is converting parts of the government that served America and trying to arrange for them to serve Trump.  

It seems counterproductive to me, but it looks like he is going all in with being himself.

Quote:According to the poll, President Trump has a job approval rating in the state of Minnesota at 42% approve and 56% disapprove. 83% of Republicans approve of the job the President is doing while 84% of Democrats disapprove.  The elected official Minnesotans approve of the most at this time is Governor Tim Walz who earns a 61%-37% approval split. One third of Republicans in the poll indicated that they approve of the job Walz has done as Governor.  Minnesota’s two Senators also receive positive marks with Amy Klobuchar at 55%-36% and Tina Smith at 46%-36%.



Voters were asked about the guilt of the four officers charged in the death of George Floyd and most have an opinion.  51% indicated that they believe all four charged Minneapolis police officers are guilty while 29% said only Derek Chauvin is guilty and 4% said that none of the officers are guilty. 55% of voters approve of the decision to put Attorney General Keith Ellison in charge of the prosecution of the four officers while 34% disapprove.



When asked about recent protests around the country, 60% of Minnesota voters have a somewhat or mostly positive view of the protests while 36% have a somewhat or mostly negative view. 57% approve of the Black Lives Matter movement while 38% disapprove.



There is broad approval for the local police departments of voters.  68% approve of the job performance of their local police department with 17% disapproving. When asked specifically about the Minneapolis police department, 62% indicated that the department should be reformed, 9% want the department defunded, 8% said demilitarized, 7% want it disbanded, and 14% feel that no change is needed. 23% of Republicans feel that no change is needed while 6% say disband, 4% say demilitarize, 2% say defund and 64% say reformed.  6% of Democrats feel that no change is needed while 17% say defund, 9% say disband, 10% say demilitarize and 58% say reformed. 65% of independents want the department reformed and 5% want the department disbanded.



This poll was conducted by Gravis Marketing, a nonpartisan research p2p texting and data firm. This poll of 600 registered voters in Minnesota was conducted on June 19th and has a margin of error of ±4%. This survey was conducted using interactive voice responses and an online panel of cell phone users.  This poll was not commissioned by any campaign committee or other organization and was paid for by Gravis Marketing.  Results are weighted by voting demographics.  Questions can be directed to the managing partner of Gravis Marketing, Doug Kaplan.

(06-19-2020, 11:16 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(06-19-2020, 12:59 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(06-18-2020, 07:49 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I googled boogaloo and found out it is a right wing group that wants civil war. I wonder if Classic Xer is parroting his dear leader Trump who is fomenting the idea that recent riots are caused by antifa.

Why would a group that wants to start a civil war or a race war target a couple security guards of a federal building instead of targeting a bunch of LW protestors like they would do to achieve their goal?

Why? Because killing Federal officers gets the RW 2nd Amendment types up in arms -- literally.  And they aren't "security guards" in the sense of mall cops.  Guarding Federal facilities is the job of the Federal Protective Services -- a part of the US government.  They are licensed officers.

Classic-Xer Wrote:According to the article that Dave posted which was pretty vague and inconclusive like most press releases are that are that are hot of the press and latched on to and posted by a liberal because it mentioned FBI concerns about RW extremist groups becoming more active which matches concerns that I've expressed to you guys. America itself will most likely opt to arm up and sit it out as you and them kill and inflict damage on each other and wait to defeat the victor. America itself ain't dumb.

What we're seeing is rampant paranoia, with guns added for full measure. If this erupts into violence, and the gun crowd out of fear from their unarmed neighbors decide to turn this into a bloodbath, you will see the Martial Law you seem to crave. It won't be pretty for the armed-to-the-teeth crowd.

(06-20-2020, 06:21 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Right now, the American right is still recognized as being the authority and the upholders of American law and defenders of the US Constitution, American establishment and all its people/citizens and it's government.

(06-20-2020, 06:21 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Boy are you way off track with the your understanding of the RW, 2nd Amendment folks and what it is that gets them all up in arms these days? Nope, they're weren't your typical light security mall cops like the liberal Democrats seem prefer and want to replace most of our city cops with these days.

Quote:Those were our kind of our RW cops that a couple of your LW radicals gunned down in cold blood that caught the attention of the FBI who as we know as concerned about stepping up and doing the job that liberal Democrats either willingly refuse to do or afraid to do due to their relatively close political ties with the Left these day or fears of their cozy blue being basically over run and looted those we seen on TV.

Quote:Right now, the American right is still recognized as being the authority and the upholders of American law and defenders of the US Constitution, American establishment and all its people/citizens and it's government.

Quote:In all the years of of us posting, I've rarely seen an American view, an American position or an understanding or an acceptance or an embrace of American values and the American way of life.

Quote:Whether we split or go to war and  take part in a major bloodbath is largely on the Democrats ability to keep the peace and resolve their major problems. You don't speak for me or  the American government.

Quote:You speak for yourself, the Left and the kind of government that the Left prefers to have instead of ours and once that becomes apparent to most Americans these days, the more we are going see more of what we've seen taking place (the spirals of large scale violence) in blue cities since Obama entered his second term in office and tried to move America backwards to a time when the big government related Democrats/ the old social conservative Democrats  pretty much called the shots.

(06-21-2020, 02:09 AM)taramarie Wrote: "Right now, the American right is still recognized as being the authority and the upholders of American law and defenders of the US Constitution, American establishment and all its people/citizens and it's government." By who, Classic?

(06-20-2020, 09:28 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(06-20-2020, 06:21 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Boy are you way off track with the your understanding of the RW, 2nd Amendment folks and what it is that gets them all up in arms these days? Nope, they're weren't your typical light security mall cops like the liberal Democrats seem prefer and want to replace most of our city cops with these days.

Hardly. The "mall cops"  are often rejects from police forces. They are ill-trained, and they rarely are suited to dealing with violent crime. The mall cops usually detect and apprehend shoplifters.  They typically have no authority beyond  the stores that they defend (which includes the parking lot. 

Quote:Those were our kind of our RW cops that a couple of your LW radicals gunned down in cold blood that caught the attention of the FBI who as we know as concerned about stepping up and doing the job that liberal Democrats either willingly refuse to do or afraid to do due to their relatively close political ties with the Left these day or fears of their cozy blue being basically over run and looted those we seen on TV.

Once someone kills a cop, politics no longer matter. That should be obvious. 

Quote:Right now, the American right is still recognized as being the authority and the upholders of American law and defenders of the US Constitution, American establishment and all its people/citizens and it's government.

I do not trust the Hard Right with my civil liberties. Donald Trump has lost all credibility about defending the rights that Americans have. So much about the Second Amendment... I am more concerned about the First. Oh, by the way -- gun rights were well protected for Germans in good standing with the Nazi Party in the Devil's Reich. Of course, there was no freedom of speech, religion, or the press; no defense against warrantless search and seizure; no protection against arbitrary arrest; no right to objective justice; no security of property; no right to change employment without consent of the employer; no meaningful choice in elections... 

If you want to believe that a conservative politician stands firmly against gun rights -- think of Britain under the late Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. No gun rights!

Quote:In all the years of of us posting, I've rarely seen an American view, an American position or an understanding or an acceptance or an embrace of American values and the American way of life.

The word "American" excuses nothing. Just because a rattlesnake or a tornado is American makes it no better. Our legal system never determines the validity of behavior on the basis of it being "American". Constitutionality is everything; national identity means nothing in jurisprudence..  

Quote:Whether we split or go to war and  take part in a major bloodbath is largely on the Democrats ability to keep the peace and resolve their major problems. You don't speak for me or  the American government.

I don't pretend to speak for you. You have the Constitution all wro9ng.

Quote:You speak for yourself, the Left and the kind of government that the Left prefers to have instead of ours and once that becomes apparent to most Americans these days, the more we are going see more of what we've seen taking place (the spirals of large scale violence) in blue cities since Obama entered his second term in office and tried to move America backwards to a time when the big government related Democrats/ the old social conservative Democrats  pretty much called the shots.

The "Left includes people from moderates to the most extreme Commies (like Stalinists,Maoists, and Trotskyites). The Right ranges from moderates to fascists with murder in their hearts.

(06-19-2020, 11:58 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Yep. Those militias will find themselves overwhelmed by the Marine Corps, the Seals, the 82nd and 101st Airborne Units...

(06-20-2020, 01:53 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: White racism and white identity politics may be losing its appeal among white voters, with the support which black lives matter and police reform is getting in the country now. Trump's unique combo of America first on trade and immigration and non-intervention plus the white identity appeal boosted Trump in the swing states against a weak Democratic opponent. This combo may not work this time. His trade policies didn't bring results, and people may see through his cruel immigration scams. DACA has support. With Trump's failures to control the virus leading to economic meltdown, the midwest blue wall may be repaired.

(06-20-2020, 06:21 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Boy are you way off track with the your understanding of the RW, 2nd Amendment folks and what it is that gets them all up in arms these days? Nope, they're weren't your typical light security mall cops like the liberal Democrats seem prefer and want to replace most of our city cops with these days. Those were our kind of our RW cops that a couple of your LW radicals gunned down in cold blood that caught the attention of the FBI who as we know as concerned about stepping up and doing the job that liberal Democrats either willingly refuse to do or afraid to do due to their relatively close political ties with the Left these day or fears of their cozy blue being basically over run and looted those we seen on TV.

Classic-Xer Wrote:Right now, the American right is still recognized as being the authority and the upholders of American law and defenders of the US Constitution, American establishment and all its people/citizens and it's government. In all the years of of us posting, I've rarely seen an American view, an American position or an understanding or an acceptance or an embrace of American values and the American way of life. Whether we split or go to war and  take part in a major bloodbath is largely on the Democrats ability to keep the peace and resolve their major problems.

Classic-Xer Wrote:You don't speak for me or  the American government. You speak for yourself, the Left and the kind of government that the Left prefers to have instead of ours and once that becomes apparent to most Americans these days, the more we are going see more of what we've seen taking place (the spirals of large scale violence) in blue cities since Obama entered his second term in office and tried to move America backwards to a time when the big government related Democrats/ the old social conservative Democrats  pretty much called the shots.

(06-21-2020, 02:46 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(06-20-2020, 01:53 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: White racism and white identity politics may be losing its appeal among white voters, with the support which black lives matter and police reform is getting in the country now. Trump's unique combo of America first on trade and immigration and non-intervention plus the white identity appeal boosted Trump in the swing states against a weak Democratic opponent. This combo may not work this time. His trade policies didn't bring results, and people may see through his cruel immigration scams. DACA has support. With Trump's failures to control the virus leading to economic meltdown, the midwest blue wall may be repaired.

Yep. White racism and white identity politics has been losing its appeal among white voters for many years as minority racism and minority identity politics has been increasing among minority voters across the country. So, where does that leave you, the liberal Democrats and them right now? You know my feelings about idiots like you, the worthless/clueless liberal Democrats and racist idiots like them and you know that I don't give two shits about what happens to any of them at this point.

(06-21-2020, 01:45 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: You forget that the Nazi's/fascists were a radical Leftist group too so you may as well add them to the mix competing for power on today's Left as well. I mean, all idiots like you and others here are doing is perpetuating and feeding ignorance and increasing the risk of greater violence and burning more bridges with the American right.