(04-15-2020, 10:39 AM)Blazkovitz Wrote:

(04-14-2020, 11:22 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: We need an alternative word for it, then.

Transhumanism

(04-16-2020, 11:00 AM)Isoko Wrote: But to be honest, this whole march towards unity seems to be an American thing if I'm honest. Americans have always been obsessed with trying to build their own version of some kind of kingdom of heaven on Earth. Kind of like a manifest destiny. It is evident in you people.

But the rest of the world is not particularly concerned with it and are happy to go their own path.

Quote:Putin's government functions better then the U.S government right now due to the fact that it is pretty much under one man. If Putin makes a decision, it gets done quickly. No need for courts to get involved, no need for panicking about votes, it just gets done. Take the Corona crisis, Putin pretty much shut the country early and that is why the cases have been minimises alot here.

(04-15-2020, 03:58 AM)Isoko Wrote: Eric, Eric, Eric,

You have a good heart but you are a naive optimist. You dream the dreams but cannot see the reality. I would be happy to engage you in a more spiritual debate at some point but I think for the sake of the forum I'll keep this to a private discussion.

Anyway, onto the discussion.

The current elites love war just as much as the elites of 1914. It is a good money maker for them and helps to reduce the population as they see fit. That is what power does. People at the top do not care but for their own wealth and are quite sociopathic about it too. Like I said before, they cannot have a war right now because of WMDs but if they did not exist, I could guarantee you we would have had a great war over Crimea by now or something major with Iran.

As for South Africa, where did I say I support apartheid? On the whole I am actually anti apartheid and pro Mandela. The reason? Because that whole system could not work and was oppressing people. When you have 20 percent ruling over the other 80, inevitably such a house cannot stand. I do not at all support the former government and I will say they were responsible very much for South Africa's problems.

However, America going further to the left, to the blue, will just destroy it as much as right wing apartheid did to South Africa. Reason? Because first of all, you have a declining economic base in America. You have no major manufacturing or agriculture of the future to employ the largest mass of humanity. Coming automation is going to make labour intensive jobs redundant.

You talk about programs to help people. Big question? Where is the money going to come from? You can keep printing all you want but eventually that dollar note is going to become worthless. Russia and China are going to try to get the dollar replaced as the world reserve currency in 10 years and when that happens, America is pretty much finished. More than likely there will be a default.

Then what are you gonna do? Millions of poor and uneducated people, mostly of immigrant origin, with no jobs, no access to basic services and no money? It's a huge disaster waiting to happen and will turn America into the next SA or Brazil.

Honestly, I just cannot see a way to turn around America at this point. You guys are going to get your USSR moment either this decade or a couple of decades from now. Hence why I believe the 4T is starting now.

Quote:As for Russia, actually Russia is playing the game correctly. The only reason people are protesting is down to they want more money. That's it. If Putin puts more money into the system, the people will be content with Putinism. No one per se actually is against Putinism, just they want more cash. Which is usually the case for Russia. Social agendas does not take a priority.

Even still, Russia has a great destiny ahead of her. When America does decline, Russia will move in to become the new policeman of Europe. The Europeans are now starting to do more business with Russia then America. Macron pretty much proved this when he called Putin first rather then Trump over the Soleimani affair. Same with Italy wanting great relations with Russia.

There is many potentials for Russia. She has problems but much great potential if she deals with those problems. If they get the birth rate sorted out, economise Siberia, taking a more leading role in Europe, Russia could potentially end up a superpower in the late 21st or 22nd century. Depends on how she plays her cards and who leads. Yes, yes I know you will disagree and question it but I'm just offering an opinion.

I'm happy living in Russia though. It's safe, the cities are mostly clean and I think the government is doing a better job of handling 21st century problems then the West so I cannot complain. I'd rather live here then in America.

Also Eric, just to let you know, I'm not actually far right or alt right, in case you are wondering. I'm more centre right with a more Russian/European point of view which to the American eye is very right wing but here is perfectly normal.

(04-22-2020, 10:53 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Russia is pathetic. It's people never have anything, and it's dependent on a declining and deadly resource. It is boring as hell, and has no freedom. Its tyrannical owner Putin kills people at will. Putin is playing foreign affairs well, but his policy is genocidal murder, and he's taking advantage of a hesitant and war-weary USA. That will not work in the long run. Putin has set himself up in power for life, and I don't know when it's people will rise up again. I guess about 80-plus years after 1990 when the cycle comes around again. And this movement will probably fail, as revolution always does there. The arc of history is especially long in Russia, longer than almost anywhere else, but I expect that sometime in the distant future it will bend towards justice there too. Meanwhile, the only workable policy toward Russia is to keep it in bounds.

(04-22-2020, 10:53 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(04-15-2020, 03:58 AM)Isoko Wrote: Eric, Eric, Eric,

You have a good heart but you are a naive optimist. You dream the dreams but cannot see the reality. I would be happy to engage you in a more spiritual debate at some point but I think for the sake of the forum I'll keep this to a private discussion.

Anyway, onto the discussion.

The current elites love war just as much as the elites of 1914. It is a good money maker for them and helps to reduce the population as they see fit. That is what power does. People at the top do not care but for their own wealth and are quite sociopathic about it too. Like I said before, they cannot have a war right now because of WMDs but if they did not exist, I could guarantee you we would have had a great war over Crimea by now or something major with Iran.

As for South Africa, where did I say I support apartheid? On the whole I am actually anti apartheid and pro Mandela. The reason? Because that whole system could not work and was oppressing people. When you have 20 percent ruling over the other 80, inevitably such a house cannot stand. I do not at all support the former government and I will say they were responsible very much for South Africa's problems.

However, America going further to the left, to the blue, will just destroy it as much as right wing apartheid did to South Africa. Reason? Because first of all, you have a declining economic base in America. You have no major manufacturing or agriculture of the future to employ the largest mass of humanity. Coming automation is going to make labour intensive jobs redundant.

You talk about programs to help people. Big question? Where is the money going to come from? You can keep printing all you want but eventually that dollar note is going to become worthless. Russia and China are going to try to get the dollar replaced as the world reserve currency in 10 years and when that happens, America is pretty much finished. More than likely there will be a default.

Then what are you gonna do? Millions of poor and uneducated people, mostly of immigrant origin, with no jobs, no access to basic services and no money? It's a huge disaster waiting to happen and will turn America into the next SA or Brazil.

Honestly, I just cannot see a way to turn around America at this point. You guys are going to get your USSR moment either this decade or a couple of decades from now. Hence why I believe the 4T is starting now.

That's exactly why we need to go blue, or better yet green.

Immigrants bring in more consumers as well as workers and skilled entreprenuers. Prudent immigration reform was proposed by moderate center-right Senators and was shot down by our looney republican right-wing Tea Party fanatic congress. It needs to be proposed and passed again.

Only a restored social safety net can work now, financed by the owners who have set up automation. Robots and high tech should be for the benefit of all, not just the owners as is the case now. They have no right to hog all the profits. Blue will make them pay taxes to support these programs. Reaganomics is not practical in the age of greater automation, although it was never practical at all anyway. Lower taxes and lax regulations on big companies and rich people just create a polluted banana republic and a horrible world climate. It is not workable; trickle-down does not trickle. We need social welfare programs and government investments in people and infrastructure, paid for by the wealthy and all of us.

I don't like debt either. But the USA is bankrupt beyond repair already, thanks to our right-wing governments that conducted huge wars and passed huge tax cuts. The only way to lower the debt is to raise taxes hugely on the wealthier people and somewhat on everybody. But there are limits to that approach too, practically speaking. No, I'm afraid that until the USA completely collapses, we are stuck with endless debt. Meanwhile we have to conduct our economy in the way that benefits everyone, not just a few. THAT is true populism.

Quote:As for Russia, actually Russia is playing the game correctly. The only reason people are protesting is down to they want more money. That's it. If Putin puts more money into the system, the people will be content with Putinism. No one per se actually is against Putinism, just they want more cash. Which is usually the case for Russia. Social agendas does not take a priority.

Even still, Russia has a great destiny ahead of her. When America does decline, Russia will move in to become the new policeman of Europe. The Europeans are now starting to do more business with Russia then America. Macron pretty much proved this when he called Putin first rather then Trump over the Soleimani affair. Same with Italy wanting great relations with Russia.

There is many potentials for Russia. She has problems but much great potential if she deals with those problems. If they get the birth rate sorted out, economise Siberia, taking a more leading role in Europe, Russia could potentially end up a superpower in the late 21st or 22nd century. Depends on how she plays her cards and who leads. Yes, yes I know you will disagree and question it but I'm just offering an opinion.

I'm happy living in Russia though. It's safe, the cities are mostly clean and I think the government is doing a better job of handling 21st century problems then the West so I cannot complain. I'd rather live here then in America.

Also Eric, just to let you know, I'm not actually far right or alt right, in case you are wondering. I'm more centre right with a more Russian/European point of view which to the American eye is very right wing but here is perfectly normal.

Russia is pathetic. It's people never have anything, and it's dependent on a declining and deadly resource. It is boring as hell, and has no freedom. Its tyrannical owner Putin kills people at will. Putin is playing foreign affairs well, but his policy is genocidal murder, and he's taking advantage of a hesitant and war-weary USA. That will not work in the long run. Putin has set himself up in power for life, and I don't know when it's people will rise up again. I guess about 80-plus years after 1990 when the cycle comes around again. And this movement will probably fail, as revolution always does there. The arc of history is especially long in Russia, longer than almost anywhere else, but I expect that sometime in the distant future it will bend towards justice there too. Meanwhile, the only workable policy toward Russia is to keep it in bounds.

It is up to the USA in the 2020s to get back on the right path again, if it ever hopes to prosper in the future. I predict that it will, but no-one really knows. It must dump the Republicans totally, and for good, if it has any hopes after 40 years of decline under them. It will be up to the Millennial Generation to empower the reforms needed.

(04-23-2020, 09:40 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: I still tend to think that a Time of Troubles (World War I, the Russian Civil War, forced collectivization of the economy, Stalin's Great Purge, and finally the Great Patriotic War is itself an extreme Crisis protracted in length.

(04-23-2020, 05:14 AM)Isoko Wrote: Eric,

P. 1 I think it is too late in the game now to pass a good immigration reform system. It should have been done as early as the 1990s. Instead you have the growing slum problem there and that is not going away. Limited immigration is good for an economy, I agree, but when you go over that, it becomes a huge problem.

I can agree with you though that America does need new social safety nets and even universal health care but once again, it is too late to successfully enact it. Taxing the rich won't work as they will just flee with their wealth to offshore havens. 

There is no other way for America at this stage but to collapse and rebuild a new economy. I just cannot honestly see at this stage how you could reform it successfully with all the problems you have. 

P. 2 Regarding Russia, that is quite insulting actually. Russians DO have money, especially in Moscow and St. Petersburg. When the new iPhone comes out, they are queuing up to buy it. Young people can afford to get apartments and I have seen Russians living better off then in the UK right now.

However there is big problems in the rest of the country and this is acknowledged by the liberal faction in Russia who do want to put more money into these areas rather then just the big two cities. 

As for Russia being boring. Well yeah, I guess it is if you don't want to tread in Human faeces or get stabbed the first time you enter a city like what is the case in some American cities today. But at least you don't fear your kids getting shot in school here. 

As for Putin being genocidal. Erm, you do know the definition of genocidal, right? Putin has done dodgy things, sure, but it's not like he has established gas chambers and millions of people are dying. That is just factually wrong. 

I think the future of Russia after Putin is going to be economic liberalisation in terms of supporting small businesses and making sure more money is flowing into the state coffers. The young generation of Russia are not too bothered with great power politics so I think that Russia might take a back seat for a couple of decades in order to refocus it's its economy. Of course there will be another Putin, that is the nature of Russia, but I think there will be a few more democratic constraints in the future.

(04-24-2020, 01:28 PM)Isoko Wrote: Eric,

I'm sorry but I just cannot believe what I am reading here. You called yourself a prophet. I just...I'm laughing so hard here it could tear down the apartment. I just...your a prophet? Since when? Has God Himself come down and said "Eric the Free , you are my chosen one. Go spread the good word." Just...LOL!!!

No, no, wait for it, it gets even more better folks! Did you all know Eric's name is in the Bible? LOL it says so right there! It's in the book of revelations! "And thou art sendeth my son Eric when the word is about to end to spread the gospel of hope on an internet forum."

LOL!!!

I'm sorry this is just too damn funny. I think once I remember an old post about you predicting that Hilary Clinton was going to win the election via "the stars"...and Trump won.

Just...I'm sorry but that is the most ridiculous and dumb statement anyone has ever made to me. I mean I'm sorry man but do you know how ridiculous you sound? Declaring yourself a prophet? I mean...geez. A prophet. What next? Are you going to declare yourself Jesus reborn? 

I'm sorry man but this is just too funny I can't even debate. I mean look dude. Just...go see a psychiatrist, ok? Just get some help.

Sorry guys but I need a breather. Still laughing my head off.

(04-24-2020, 03:39 PM)Isoko Wrote: Ok, look, are you being serious here or is this some form of low class trolling? Because if you are trolling, it was a good laugh and you had me there. But if you are being serious...I just don't know what to say. Get some psychiatric help? Because this here is extremely dangerous behaviour Eric.

I don't know what it is with you Americans but this usually ends up leading down the road of the Heaven Gate scenario or the Waco fiasco. I hope for your sake we're not going to see a gun in the mouth episode and a government siege anytime soon.

(04-24-2020, 05:54 PM)Isoko Wrote: I'd advise you to go and see a doctor.....