(08-09-2020, 08:48 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Good people don't prejudge legal cases with calls for sentences before judgment is passed in a court of law, let alone call for a sentence more severe than is prescribed in statute. Good people do not say that they could shoot someone on  Fifth Avenue and still have respectability. Good people do not talk about grabbing women by their "kitty-cats". Back to Ike... a soldier who grabbed a woman or girl by her "kitty-cat" without her consent or assumed consent would face a court martial.  

   

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(08-10-2020, 12:26 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I'm the first to admit that Trump isn't a saint.

(08-10-2020, 12:26 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-09-2020, 08:48 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Good people don't prejudge legal cases with calls for sentences before judgment is passed in a court of law, let alone call for a sentence more severe than is prescribed in statute. Good people do not say that they could shoot someone on  Fifth Avenue and still have respectability. Good people do not talk about grabbing women by their "kitty-cats". Back to Ike... a soldier who grabbed a woman or girl by her "kitty-cat" without her consent or assumed consent would face a court martial.   

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I'm the first to admit that Trump isn't a saint.As far as I know, Trump never pretended to be one either.

Quote:You should also know by now that I'm not one either. I'm sorry but the Democrats suck and the Democrats have sucked my entire adult life and the Republicans haven't sucked as bad.

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Plus, you should know that you're talking to a US taxpayer who has been working and paying taxes during his teenage years and entire adult life. So, spare me the sermon on the use and benefits associated with  my tax dollars.

(08-09-2020, 07:30 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-09-2020, 03:46 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(08-09-2020, 02:14 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: You must think that we live in a country like France or Germany where democracy alone determines it's national leaders and priorities.  Guess what, we don't live in a country that's set up like either of them. Here's what we are going do eventually, we are eventually going to boot a blue state or two or some blue cities from the American union and see what happens to them.

Meanwhile, here on Earth One, a lot of formerly red people are turning blue.

You ought to check every once in a while against reality before you start sharing daydreams.

Really?? I don't know a red voter who is turning blue. But, I do know several middle aged blues who are turning more red or already turned red a while ago. I assume an uppity old liberal college boy like yourself doesn't spend as much quality time interacting with fowl mouthed middle of the road/middle American college people and regular working class people these days. I think you better start checking reality vs relying on popular opinion and whatever the liberals who are paid to tell you what you want to hear are saying these days. You don't seem like the type who can handle bad news or handle accepting that you're wrong either.

You're right about me. You've been speaking with a modern day American Revolutionary who doesn't think much of the revolutionaries associated with Democratic side or think much of the Democratic party itself. People like me don't give a shit about popular opinion and tend to go by the results they see or project. You're FUCKED EITHER WAY AT THIS POINT. Do you prefer to go down with a Democrat at the helm or spared by a Republican. Dude, I don't care if Bumbling Biden and the Bumbling party run by a bunch of money/power hungry Jackasses go down hard and results in more chaos. Oh, and if our kids are called upon to serve and go in and clean up your party's fucking mess. I hope you and every other blue fool knows when its time to swallow your fucking tongue, accept reality and look the other way for you own sake.

(08-10-2020, 01:59 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: If you want the facts about who is turning blue and who's not, you'd better look at the polls that I post here instead of talking to a few of your neighbors out in exurban Minneapolis.

(08-10-2020, 02:11 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(08-10-2020, 01:59 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: If you want the facts about who is turning blue and who's not, you'd better look at the polls that I post here instead of talking to a few of your neighbors out in exurban Minneapolis.

Isn't going to happen.  Accepting the facts is unacceptable given his ideological biases.  He would have to think, which would be difficult to unacceptable.

(08-09-2020, 04:39 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(08-09-2020, 12:58 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(08-09-2020, 10:32 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(08-09-2020, 07:39 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: The AP has protesters breaking into the police union building and setting it on fire.  

So much for peaceful protest?

If they find that the 'protestors' are really members of the actual protest, then Trump just got handed campaign material beyond his dreams.  If, on the other hand, they determine that the 'protestors' are outside agitators, the opposite occurs.  I assume that both the authorities and the protest leaders are working this very hard.

Possibly so. According to Lichtman, though, such "social unrest" reflects badly on the incumbent party.

If LBJ ('68) is the model, then that's certainly true.  If it's Nixon ('72), then why did he get reelected in a landslide?

(08-10-2020, 03:38 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(08-10-2020, 02:11 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(08-10-2020, 01:59 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: If you want the facts about who is turning blue and who's not, you'd better look at the polls that I post here instead of talking to a few of your neighbors out in exurban Minneapolis.

Isn't going to happen.  Accepting the facts is unacceptable given his ideological biases.  He would have to think, which would be difficult to unacceptable.

Full honesty: sometime following the November elections we'll get tallies and answers.  Unless the data are so skewed that they are now effectively worthless, the overall winner will be the Democratic Party, with the Presidency, House retention, and enough Senate seats to hold that body as well.  But at the moment, this is still tentative.  Some bizarre October surprise is still possible, and being outrageous is a Trump feature.

(08-10-2020, 05:14 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(08-10-2020, 03:38 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(08-10-2020, 02:11 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(08-10-2020, 01:59 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: If you want the facts about who is turning blue and who's not, you'd better look at the polls that I post here instead of talking to a few of your neighbors out in exurban Minneapolis.

Isn't going to happen.  Accepting the facts is unacceptable given his ideological biases.  He would have to think, which would be difficult to unacceptable.

Full honesty: sometime following the November elections we'll get tallies and answers.  Unless the data are so skewed that they are now effectively worthless, the overall winner will be the Democratic Party, with the Presidency, House retention, and enough Senate seats to hold that body as well.  But at the moment, this is still tentative.  Some bizarre October surprise is still possible, and being outrageous is a Trump feature.

Yes.  Agreed.  Any thinking person would agree with your assessment.  Still, we are talking about Classic.

(08-09-2020, 07:30 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-09-2020, 03:46 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(08-09-2020, 02:14 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: You must think that we live in a country like France or Germany where democracy alone determines it's national leaders and priorities.  Guess what, we don't live in a country that's set up like either of them. Here's what we are going do eventually, we are eventually going to boot a blue state or two or some blue cities from the American union and see what happens to them.

Meanwhile, here on Earth One, a lot of formerly red people are turning blue.

You ought to check every once in a while against reality before you start sharing daydreams.

Really?? I don't know a red voter who is turning blue. But, I do know several middle aged blues who are turning more red or already turned red a while ago. I assume an uppity old liberal college boy like yourself doesn't spend as much quality time interacting with fowl mouthed middle of the road/middle American college people and regular working class people these days. I think you better start checking reality vs relying on popular opinion and whatever the liberals who are paid to tell you what you want to hear are saying these days. You don't seem like the type who can handle bad news or handle accepting that you're wrong either.

Quote:You're right about me. You've been speaking with a modern day American Revolutionary who doesn't think much of the revolutionaries associated with Democratic side or think much of the Democratic party itself.

Quote:People like me don't give a shit about popular opinion and tend to go by the results they see or project. You're F---ED EITHER WAY AT THIS POINT.

Quote:Do you prefer to go down with a Democrat at the helm or spared by a Republican.

Quote:Dude, I don't care if Bumbling Biden and the Bumbling party run by a bunch of money/power hungry Jackasses go down hard and results in more chaos. Oh, and if our kids are called upon to serve and go in and clean up your party's fucking mess. I hope you and every other blue fool knows when its time to swallow your (expletive deleted) tongue, accept reality and look the other way for you own sake.

(08-10-2020, 07:57 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: ... I mean how smart do you have to be to be viewed as the one of the best of the dumb people.

(08-11-2020, 08:44 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(08-10-2020, 07:57 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: ... I mean how smart do you have to be to be viewed as the one of the best of the dumb people.

You might ask your wife.

(08-11-2020, 08:44 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(08-10-2020, 07:57 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: ... I mean how smart do you have to be to be viewed as the one of the best of the dumb people.

You might ask your wife.

(08-11-2020, 04:39 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(08-11-2020, 08:44 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(08-10-2020, 07:57 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: ... I mean how smart do you have to be to be viewed as the one of the best of the dumb people.

You might ask your wife.

People can be very smart and believe some incredibly-silly things. Think of all the intellectual effort poured into such folly as eugenics, "scientific" racism, young-earth creationism, Afrocentrism, postmodernism, Marxism-Leninism,creating 'new' religions, and Holocaust denial. One can put much intellectual effort into some completely-worthless effort such as creating an artificial language (Surprise! I could do that!)


Esperanto is sort-of-OK for what it promises. No, I am not speaking of commercial failures such as novels that could never sell. Writing, composing, and performing are low-input, high-reward activities as extreme gambles. Most screenplays are worthless.

As far as that goes, twelve-tone music is close to the category of useless efforts so far as I can tell. I can easily remember a fairly long phrase of music much longer than some twelve-tone row, but try getting me to remember that twelve-tone row. 

Truth be told, more often we have hunger pangs and will settle for a hamburger... or we need to use a toilet. Or gasoline for the commute. It doesn't take much of a brain to herd cattle around, to butcher them in a slaughterhouse, to separate the meat from the bones and put it into packages, to ship it to a store or warehouse, or to take a patty and hamburger bun with perhaps some toppings, and hand the finished product to a customer. It doesn't take much effort or thought to clean a toilet. We might not like working at such a level of intellectual stupidity, but most industrial and commercial processes seem to operate on the principle "Keep it simple, stupid!"

Maybe people put huge amounts of effort into worthless efforts than being satisfied with modest pay at a job that requires that one do little thinking because someone else has already done that. That may explain cranks who pretend to be very bright yet fall far short of the standards appropriate for academia or the highly-refined level of accomplishment necessary for creative work. So people paint portraits with strange violations of the laws of of perspective. That is not an odd vision; that is incompetence.

(08-10-2020, 07:57 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: You're funny. Classic still thinks for a living and still spends time doing some thinking and some not so pretty/ raw  posting here. Dude, I'd have to be able think like you or be dumb enough or idealistic enough or poor enough or ignorant enough or black enough  or woman enough or hate Trump or hate America enough or hate the Republican or someone on the Republican side or have a government job and great benefits or a government contract that I'm really interested in order for me to go along which ain't going happen. Do know what else I see that I haven't seen before, I see a bunch of familiar faces and names of customers running for office this year. Dude, I've seen your dumb Millenials who aren't any smarter than your dumb Gen X or dumb Boomers or dumb Silents. I mean how smart do you have to be to be viewed as the one of the best of the dumb people.

(08-11-2020, 08:07 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-11-2020, 08:44 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(08-10-2020, 07:57 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: ... I mean how smart do you have to be to be viewed as the one of the best of the dumb people.

You might ask your wife.

Are you insulting me or my wife or both?

(08-11-2020, 08:16 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-11-2020, 04:39 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(08-11-2020, 08:44 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(08-10-2020, 07:57 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: ... I mean how smart do you have to be to be viewed as the one of the best of the dumb people.

You might ask your wife.

People can be very smart and believe some incredibly-silly things. Think of all the intellectual effort poured into such folly as eugenics, "scientific" racism, young-earth creationism, Afrocentrism, postmodernism, Marxism-Leninism,creating 'new' religions, and Holocaust denial. One can put much intellectual effort into some completely-worthless effort such as creating an artificial language (Surprise! I could do that!)


Esperanto is sort-of-OK for what it promises. No, I am not speaking of commercial failures such as novels that could never sell. Writing, composing, and performing are low-input, high-reward activities as extreme gambles. Most screenplays are worthless.

As far as that goes, twelve-tone music is close to the category of useless efforts so far as I can tell. I can easily remember a fairly long phrase of music much longer than some twelve-tone row, but try getting me to remember that twelve-tone row. 

Truth be told, more often we have hunger pangs and will settle for a hamburger... or we need to use a toilet. Or gasoline for the commute. It doesn't take much of a brain to herd cattle around, to butcher them in a slaughterhouse, to separate the meat from the bones and put it into packages, to ship it to a store or warehouse, or to take a patty and hamburger bun with perhaps some toppings, and hand the finished product to a customer. It doesn't take much effort or thought to clean a toilet. We might not like working at such a level of intellectual stupidity, but most industrial and commercial processes seem to operate on the principle "Keep it simple, stupid!"

Maybe people put huge amounts of effort into worthless efforts than being satisfied with modest pay at a job that requires that one do little thinking because someone else has already done that. That may explain cranks who pretend to be very bright yet fall far short of the standards appropriate for academia or the highly-refined level of accomplishment necessary for creative work. So people paint portraits with strange violations of the laws of of perspective. That is not an odd vision; that is incompetence.

How about urban gentrification?

(08-12-2020, 09:33 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: A shell game in which poor people get displaced. 

I remind you that American suburbs that once had very rural character have lost that. In come the apartment complexes and as a result the traffic jams. Suburban housing that WWII vets bought with VA loans has approached the end of its useful life, as has the infrastructure such as streets and sewers. 

We may be seeing a pattern more characteristic of European cities in which the industry finds its ways into the suburbs and so do the industrial workers while the big city centers become the obvious living area for white-collar workers.

(08-12-2020, 03:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-12-2020, 09:33 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: A shell game in which poor people get displaced. 

I remind you that American suburbs that once had very rural character have lost that. In come the apartment complexes and as a result the traffic jams. Suburban housing that WWII vets bought with VA loans has approached the end of its useful life, as has the infrastructure such as streets and sewers. 

We may be seeing a pattern more characteristic of European cities in which the industry finds its ways into the suburbs and so do the industrial workers while the big city centers become the obvious living area for white-collar workers.

Well, I see the cities becoming/ turning into hubs for all kinds of nasty illegal activity that Americans associate with the third world as the rest of the country recognizes it, votes to do the complete opposite and begins cracking down on all sorts of illegal activity. We are already living in two countries right now. The borders just haven't been clearly defined and established yet. Dude, I have rural/ working class characteristics like the vast majority of Americans still have today. I'm going to to give you a hint. You need to learn to be more respectful towards others these days and quit coming across as uppity, snide and prude like your parents, sibling? and the folks that you hang out with here. Do you know the difference between the mentality of a coddled American immigrant who has been promised or granted special protections and the American citizen whose American ancestors, American grand parents, American parents, American siblings have worked or fought (not literally) for everything they have their entire lives. If you don't know, I'd suggest that you start learning the difference because that's what your side (the Democratic side) is dealing with today.  This election is going to symbolize a parting of ways and result in a massive parting of ways between values and no values. This is going to boil down to America's choice or the Liberal's choice and you're the poor person with the mental handicap who doesn't understand that or realize it which I do feel sorry about but know that I can't do anything about at this point.