(02-25-2018, 02:21 AM)Warren Dew Wrote: > "Numerous administration officials have made it clear that North
> Korea will not be permitted to have a nuclear weapon"

> Numerous administration officials have said that, but they haven't
> at all made it clear. To me, their statements sounds mostly like
> empty posturing.

> So will China agree to enforcement of sanctions through a blockade
> by accepting a Security Council resolution authorizing that? If
> that happens, I may have to admit that Nikki Haley is competent
> after all.

John Kelly Wrote:> This is one of those things that landed on this president's lap
> [when he took office]. It's been in the process for 25 years.
> We've kicked the can down the road. The problem at this point in
> time is there's no road left. We have to deal with this guy. He
> cannot have a deliverable atomic weapon that can reach the United
> States reliably. It just cannot be. Obviously the president
> would much prefer to do this in alliance with every other nation
> of good will to convince this guy that it is not in his interest.
> But I believe we're out of road.

(02-25-2018, 02:53 AM)Tim Randal Walker Wrote: > So we are seeing realignments, with the the Iran/Indian deal, for
> example.

> What other realignments may we see?

(02-25-2018, 09:58 AM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: I've quoted any number of administration officials who have said this
quite clearly and unequivocally.

Quote:The logic of this situation is irresistible.  We all remember how
Obama was ridiculed after refusing to make good on his "red line"
threat after al-Assad used Sarin gas, and how Trump finally made good
on Obama's threat.

If the Trump administration now does the same thing, and sits back and
lets NK develop a nuclear missile capability, it will be an act of
appeasement of historic implications, even greater than "Peace in our
time."

(02-25-2018, 10:19 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: > I think those folks are trailing edge millenials.

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(02-25-2018, 10:41 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(02-25-2018, 10:19 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: >   I think those folks are trailing edge millenials.  

I don't think so.  If the Crisis era began in 2003, then the
post-Millennial generation (the "Pivotals") would have begun in 1999,
so the first of them would now be in their late teens.

(02-26-2018, 02:21 AM)Tim Randal Walker Wrote: > Hi John, I'm doing well.

> Peter Zeihan (Zeihan.com), if I recall correctly, did comment on
> Saudi Arabia and Qatar, but I don't quite understand the specific
> conflict myself. Zeihan also predicts that Iran and Saudi Arabia
> will be on opposite sides on another Gulf War.

(02-26-2018, 01:39 AM)Warren Dew Wrote: > I don't think the Crisis era began in 2003; if it had, either the
> muslims or us would have been wiped out by now. Instead, the War
> on Terror is winding down.

> My current hypothesis is that the Crisis era began in 2008 with
> the banking "bailouts".

(02-26-2018, 11:28 AM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(02-26-2018, 01:39 AM)Warren Dew Wrote: >   I don't think the Crisis era began in 2003; if it had, either the
>   muslims or us would have been wiped out by now.  Instead, the War
>   on Terror is winding down.

>   My current hypothesis is that the Crisis era began in 2008 with
>   the banking "bailouts".

It's not a matter of what anyone "thinks." Generational changes
occur based on biological timelines that have been the same
for millennia.

You've managed to squeeze into three sentences an entire mélange of
unsupported, inconsistent and incoherent guesses that don't even make
any sense.  But I suppose they must make you feel good.

Anyway, the "Pivotal Generation" concept was new to me, but it turns
out that a lot of research is being done on them over the last two
years, since they're spending a lot of money, but have very different
values and behaviors from other generations.  Some of values are more
similar to the Boomers, as the Pivotals pivot away from the
Millennials and Gen-Xers.

https://www.barkleyus.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/FutureCast_The-Pivotal-Generation.pdf

By the way, the Pivotals are switching from Facebook to Snapchat and
Instagram.

https://www.emarketer.com/Article/Instagram-Snapchat-Adoption-Still-Surging-US-UK/1016369

(02-26-2018, 01:05 PM)Cynic Hero 86 Wrote: > That's right and only elite boomers believe in Human Rights, free
> trade, globalism, the doctrine of "America will never attack
> first" and other such institutions like the UN. None of the
> younger generations believe in that as well as many non-elite
> boomers. Therefore the populist interpretations and propositions
> during the current crisis are destined be the ones that are
> ultimately implemented.

(02-26-2018, 01:47 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(02-26-2018, 01:05 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: >   That's right and only elite boomers believe in Human Rights, free
>   trade, globalism, the doctrine of "America will never attack
>   first" and other such institutions like the UN. None of the
>   younger generations believe in that as well as many non-elite
>   boomers. Therefore the populist interpretations and propositions
>   during the current crisis are destined be the ones that are
>   ultimately implemented.

Wow! You're in trouble now.  The new Pivotal Generation (Generation Z)
is more like the Boomers in attitudes and values than Millennials and
Gen-Xers.

We already know you have a bizarre, irrational vitriolic hatred of
Boomers that would make you a danger to any Boomer in the same room as
you.  But now you have to direct your vitriolic hatred at Pivotals as
well.  You must be a very confused lad, not knowing whom you hate the
most.

(02-26-2018, 02:08 PM)Cynic Hero 86 Wrote: > The problem is we're in a 4T crisis era. The Boomer values are
> those of the 3T. Under the pressure of the Crisis era Most of the
> 3T doctrines are usually thrown away in favor of what allows the
> society to win the crisis. The 3T doctrines are therefore
> GUARANTEED to go the road of extinction.

(02-26-2018, 02:23 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(02-26-2018, 02:08 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: >   The problem is we're in a 4T crisis era. The Boomer values are
>   those of the 3T. Under the pressure of the Crisis era Most of the
>   3T doctrines are usually thrown away in favor of what allows the
>   society to win the crisis. The 3T doctrines are therefore
>   GUARANTEED to go the road of extinction.

I guess you don't understand the impact of what's going on.  That's
not surprising, since when people like you grow older, you get
set in your ways and refuse to recognize the changes that are
going on, so you get swept away before you even know what
happened.  Some people make things happen, while other people
say, "What happened?"

You may think that something or other is "GUARANTEED," but that's only
in your own hidebound views.  Pivotals are sweeping away those
old-fashioned "guarantees" and adopting a new system of rules and
etiquette for social issues and global policies that are completely
different than your antiquated, archaic and outmoded views.

You'd better learn to change with the times, or you're going to be
washed away with the tide.

(02-26-2018, 11:28 AM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(02-26-2018, 01:39 AM)Warren Dew Wrote: >   I don't think the Crisis era began in 2003; if it had, either the
>   muslims or us would have been wiped out by now.  Instead, the War
>   on Terror is winding down.

>   My current hypothesis is that the Crisis era began in 2008 with
>   the banking "bailouts".

It's not a matter of what anyone "thinks."  Generational changes
occur based on biological timelines that have been the same
for millennia.

You've managed to squeeze into three sentences an entire mélange of
unsupported, inconsistent and incoherent guesses that don't even make
any sense.  But I suppose they must make you feel good.

(02-26-2018, 02:08 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: The problem with your suggestions is we're in a 4T crisis era. The Boomer values are those of the 3T. Under the pressure of the Crisis era Most of the 3T doctrines are usually thrown away in favor of what allows the society to win the crisis. The 3T doctrines are therefore GUARANTEED to go the road of extinction.

(02-26-2018, 02:28 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: Boomers are against implementing political economic and military reform. If the boomer view of not striking is correct we therefore we should continue sanctions which would avoid war with North Korea. Therefore if North Korea knows that there is no chance of the US striking first then there is no danger of a North Korean Attack if the boomer views are correct. But that is not the Correct view; in reality North Korea is building an arsenal to attack the US with nukes or at the very least sell nukes to terrorists and other rogue states. Therefore not striking NK is not a prudent or responsible decision it is an absolutely irresponsible decision. Regard events If boomers refused to strike or lauched a limited conventional cruise missile strike and NK responded with nukes, even if the nukes only targeted bases in the region. Then it would be the "not striking first" crowd that would be discredited. America did not continue listening to Lindbergh's advice after Pearl Harbor and Germany's declaration of war.

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