(08-17-2020, 12:47 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Yes. There are millions of so called vigilantes like me that you don't see who are idle at the moment and waiting to see how this election plays out. I hope you are right Bob. I hope there are enough traditional minded Democrats left to keep the Democratic party in line with our values or I suggest that you prepare yourself for one the most violent clashes between two countries that the world has ever seen so far  We don't live in China or some weak/lawless country that was associated with the former Soviet Union or some third world country. One other thing, there are more Democrats using democracy to get whatever it is that they want or feel they need or to change laws to eliminate threats and whatever else. All I can do is say that I'm sorry to you in advance.

(08-17-2020, 12:47 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Yes. There are millions of so called vigilantes like me that you don't see who are idle at the moment and waiting to see how this election plays out. I hope you are right Bob. I hope there are enough traditional minded Democrats left to keep the Democratic party in line with our values or I suggest that you prepare yourself for one the most violent clashes between two countries that the world has ever seen so far  We don't live in China or some weak/lawless country that was associated with the former Soviet Union or some third world country. One other thing, there are more Democrats using democracy to get whatever it is that they want or feel they need or to change laws to eliminate threats and whatever else. All I can do is say that I'm sorry to you in advance.

(08-17-2020, 01:42 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(08-17-2020, 12:47 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Yes. There are millions of so called vigilantes like me that you don't see who are idle at the moment and waiting to see how this election plays out. I hope you are right Bob. I hope there are enough traditional minded Democrats left to keep the Democratic party in line with our values or I suggest that you prepare yourself for one the most violent clashes between two countries that the world has ever seen so far  We don't live in China or some weak/lawless country that was associated with the former Soviet Union or some third world country. One other thing, there are more Democrats using democracy to get whatever it is that they want or feel they need or to change laws to eliminate threats and whatever else. All I can do is say that I'm sorry to you in advance.

FYI, you are implying sedition, and that's a Federal crime.  You might be wise to state unequivocally that sedition is not your intent. Seriously.

(08-17-2020, 03:19 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(08-17-2020, 12:47 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Yes. There are millions of so called vigilantes like me that you don't see who are idle at the moment and waiting to see how this election plays out. I hope you are right Bob. I hope there are enough traditional minded Democrats left to keep the Democratic party in line with our values or I suggest that you prepare yourself for one the most violent clashes between two countries that the world has ever seen so far  We don't live in China or some weak/lawless country that was associated with the former Soviet Union or some third world country. One other thing, there are more Democrats using democracy to get whatever it is that they want or feel they need or to change laws to eliminate threats and whatever else. All I can do is say that I'm sorry to you in advance.

Well, yes, the armed conservatives are waiting.  This is another way of saying they are doing nothing.  With your obsession with violence you can daydream of their doing something, but there is no indication that they will.  That is why I anticipate a typical 4T culture change, a typical Information Age use of protest, non violence and legislation.

(08-17-2020, 04:37 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-17-2020, 01:42 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(08-17-2020, 12:47 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Yes. There are millions of so called vigilantes like me that you don't see who are idle at the moment and waiting to see how this election plays out. I hope you are right Bob. I hope there are enough traditional minded Democrats left to keep the Democratic party in line with our values or I suggest that you prepare yourself for one the most violent clashes between two countries that the world has ever seen so far  We don't live in China or some weak/lawless country that was associated with the former Soviet Union or some third world country. One other thing, there are more Democrats using democracy to get whatever it is that they want or feel they need or to change laws to eliminate threats and whatever else. All I can do is say that I'm sorry to you in advance.

FYI, you are implying sedition, and that's a Federal crime.  You might be wise to state unequivocally that sedition is not your intent. Seriously.

No I'm not, you're the one implying sedition. We are the Americans reserving our right to bear arms and defend our county and the American people who recognize and share our values. I'd suggest that you open up your ears and that so called Liberal mind our yours and listen to Bobs interpretation of the Second Amendment and allow it to sink in and learn to accept it as being the law of the land these days.

(08-17-2020, 04:54 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Oh, if the Liberal mobs stray to far from their pens or safe zones there will be hell to pay and a bunch of government related liberal Democrats will find themselves unemployed and looking for easy jobs that won't exist or won't be available for them in our areas. If you knew me, you'd know that I'm not a bluffer.

(08-17-2020, 04:37 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-17-2020, 01:42 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(08-17-2020, 12:47 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Yes. There are millions of so called vigilantes like me that you don't see who are idle at the moment and waiting to see how this election plays out. I hope you are right Bob. I hope there are enough traditional minded Democrats left to keep the Democratic party in line with our values or I suggest that you prepare yourself for one the most violent clashes between two countries that the world has ever seen so far  We don't live in China or some weak/lawless country that was associated with the former Soviet Union or some third world country. One other thing, there are more Democrats using democracy to get whatever it is that they want or feel they need or to change laws to eliminate threats and whatever else. All I can do is say that I'm sorry to you in advance.

FYI, you are implying sedition, and that's a Federal crime.  You might be wise to state unequivocally that sedition is not your intent. Seriously.

No I'm not, you're the one implying sedition. We are the Americans reserving our right to bear arms and defend our county and the American people who recognize and share our values. I'd suggest that you open up your ears and that so called Liberal mind our yours and listen to Bobs interpretation of the Second Amendment and allow it to sink in and learn to accept it as being the law of the land these days.

(08-17-2020, 11:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: That is the only "American value" that you uphold, and it is the most outdated. It has not the slightest relationship to our freedom. The Second Amendment should be repealed. Then we might have some sensible gun regulation. Some will still be able to keep some of their guns. But, it won't happen in our time. Meanwhile, we should remember that millions of young people came out to support the kids in Parkland FL whose friends were murdered by your gun values. Some regulations can be passed soon, and probably will be under Democratic rule, if it happens. No doubt your side will be "up in arms" about it. It will be your side that initiates conflict under Joe Biden, and your side that gets crushed under him. Under Tom Cotton after 2024, your side will be able to crush our secessions. It will be your side that decides whether to let us go. Then we'll have our civil war, or not; it appears.

But just like some observers of the generations and turnings cycle say that the civil war saeculum lasted until at least 1868, so the Left will likely come back again in 2028 and take charge again under a true leader. It will seem like an extended 4T. Neptune will still be in warlike and activist Aries, as it was then. Mikebert and I may still be discussing whether the 4T has ended, and many of us will contribute to that new thread. Somehow if the rump trump USA becomes sane again, it will be reunited with the blue tides. These dangerous times are not so far ahead. Already this forum has lasted for 23 years. It seems like yesterday to me.

(08-17-2020, 05:10 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(08-17-2020, 04:54 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Oh, if the Liberal mobs stray to far from their pens or safe zones there will be hell to pay and a bunch of government related liberal Democrats will find themselves unemployed and looking for easy jobs that won't exist or won't be available for them in our areas. If you knew me, you'd know that I'm not a bluffer.

Nice bluff.

(08-18-2020, 01:03 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-17-2020, 11:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: That is the only "American value" that you uphold, and it is the most outdated. It has not the slightest relationship to our freedom. The Second Amendment should be repealed. Then we might have some sensible gun regulation. Some will still be able to keep some of their guns. But, it won't happen in our time. Meanwhile, we should remember that millions of young people came out to support the kids in Parkland FL whose friends were murdered by your gun values. Some regulations can be passed soon, and probably will be under Democratic rule, if it happens. No doubt your side will be "up in arms" about it. It will be your side that initiates conflict under Joe Biden, and your side that gets crushed under him. Under Tom Cotton after 2024, your side will be able to crush our secessions. It will be your side that decides whether to let us go. Then we'll have our civil war, or not; it appears.

But just like some observers of the generations and turnings cycle say that the civil war saeculum lasted until at least 1868, so the Left will likely come back again in 2028 and take charge again under a true leader. It will seem like an extended 4T. Neptune will still be in warlike and activist Aries, as it was then. Mikebert and I may still be discussing whether the 4T has ended, and many of us will contribute to that new thread. Somehow if the rump trump USA becomes sane again, it will be reunited with the blue tides. These dangerous times are not so far ahead. Already this forum has lasted for 23 years. It seems like yesterday to me.

As I've told you many times, I value all of our Constitutional rights (yours included). As far as the Second Amendment and our staunch defense of it, it's the one that the Left has been trying to remove/eliminate/take away from Americans for many years. I would be interested to see if Biden or Harris took/take their Constitutional oaths seriously or not and attempt to break a social contract that has withstood the tests of time and has remained in place for 244 years. Dude, I think your crazy/nuts to place your rights in the hands of a government that you gave the power to remove as it pleases myself. It sounds silly myself but most of what you say and want to see happen sounds silly.

I have to say, I have been watching the Democrats mainly talking to heir own supporters this evening. I must say, if I was a Progressive/Democrat, I would be depressed after watching and listening to them and preparing to jump off a bridge or revolt if Trump wins.

(08-17-2020, 03:19 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(08-17-2020, 12:47 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Yes. There are millions of so called vigilantes like me that you don't see who are idle at the moment and waiting to see how this election plays out. I hope you are right Bob. I hope there are enough traditional minded Democrats left to keep the Democratic party in line with our values or I suggest that you prepare yourself for one the most violent clashes between two countries that the world has ever seen so far  We don't live in China or some weak/lawless country that was associated with the former Soviet Union or some third world country. One other thing, there are more Democrats using democracy to get whatever it is that they want or feel they need or to change laws to eliminate threats and whatever else. All I can do is say that I'm sorry to you in advance.

Well, yes, the armed conservatives are waiting.  This is another way of saying they are doing nothing.  With your obsession with violence you can daydream of their doing something, but there is no indication that they will.  That is why I anticipate a typical 4T culture change, a typical Information Age use of protest, non violence and legislation.

(08-17-2020, 04:37 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-17-2020, 01:42 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(08-17-2020, 12:47 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Yes. There are millions of so called vigilantes like me that you don't see who are idle at the moment and waiting to see how this election plays out. I hope you are right Bob. I hope there are enough traditional minded Democrats left to keep the Democratic party in line with our values or I suggest that you prepare yourself for one the most violent clashes between two countries that the world has ever seen so far  We don't live in China or some weak/lawless country that was associated with the former Soviet Union or some third world country. One other thing, there are more Democrats using democracy to get whatever it is that they want or feel they need or to change laws to eliminate threats and whatever else. All I can do is say that I'm sorry to you in advance.

FYI, you are implying sedition, and that's a Federal crime.  You might be wise to state unequivocally that sedition is not your intent. Seriously.

No I'm not, you're the one implying sedition. We are the Americans reserving our right to bear arms and defend our county and the American people who recognize and share our values. I'd suggest that you open up your ears and that so called Liberal mind our yours and listen to Bobs interpretation of the Second Amendment and allow it to sink in and learn to accept it as being the law of the land these days.

(08-18-2020, 01:03 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: As I've told you many times, I value all of our Constitutional rights (yours included). As far as the Second Amendment and our staunch defense of it, it's the one that the Left has been trying to remove/eliminate/take away from Americans for many years. I would be interested to see if Biden or Harris took/take their Constitutional oaths seriously or not and attempt to break a social contract that has withstood the tests of time and has remained in place for 244 years. Dude, I think your crazy/nuts to place your rights in the hands of a government that you gave the power to remove as it pleases myself. It sounds silly myself but most of what you say and want to see happen sounds silly.

Classic-Xer Wrote:I have to say, I have been watching the Democrats mainly talking to heir own supporters this evening. I must say, if I was a Progressive/Democrat, I would be depressed after watching and listening to them and preparing to jump off a bridge or revolt if Trump wins.

(08-18-2020, 11:20 AM)David Horn Wrote: Some very smart and experienced contingency planners aren't quite so sanguine. They see the potential for violence as rather high.  Worse, they see it as an excuse for Trump to roll out the troops.

(08-18-2020, 01:03 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-17-2020, 11:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: That is the only "American value" that you uphold, and it is the most outdated. It has not the slightest relationship to our freedom. The Second Amendment should be repealed. Then we might have some sensible gun regulation. Some will still be able to keep some of their guns. But, it won't happen in our time. Meanwhile, we should remember that millions of young people came out to support the kids in Parkland FL whose friends were murdered by your gun values. Some regulations can be passed soon, and probably will be under Democratic rule, if it happens. No doubt your side will be "up in arms" about it. It will be your side that initiates conflict under Joe Biden, and your side that gets crushed under him. Under Tom Cotton after 2024, your side will be able to crush our secessions. It will be your side that decides whether to let us go. Then we'll have our civil war, or not; it appears.

But just like some observers of the generations and turnings cycle say that the civil war saeculum lasted until at least 1868, so the Left will likely come back again in 2028 and take charge again under a true leader. It will seem like an extended 4T. Neptune will still be in warlike and activist Aries, as it was then. Mikebert and I may still be discussing whether the 4T has ended, and many of us will contribute to that new thread. Somehow if the rump trump USA becomes sane again, it will be reunited with the blue tides. These dangerous times are not so far ahead. Already this forum has lasted for 23 years. It seems like yesterday to me.

As I've told you many times, I value all of our Constitutional rights (yours included). As far as the Second Amendment and our staunch defense of it, it's the one that the Left has been trying to remove/eliminate/take away from Americans for many years. I would be interested to see if Biden or Harris took/take their Constitutional oaths seriously or not and attempt to break a social contract that has withstood the tests of time and has remained in place for 244 years. Dude, I think your crazy/nuts to place your rights in the hands of a government that you gave the power to remove as it pleases myself. It sounds silly myself but most of what you say and want to see happen sounds silly.

I have to say, I have been watching the Democrats mainly talking to heir own supporters this evening. I must say, if I was a Progressive/Democrat, I would be depressed after watching and listening to them and preparing to jump off a bridge or revolt if Trump wins.

(08-18-2020, 02:43 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Dude, the second amendment was outdated practically from the time it was put on paper. It remains only because it appeals to macho symbolism and because of the power of the rural and southern states in our constitution. I don't care about gun rights. But those who believe in them should be willing to accept regulations on their use and possession, or would you have there be no regulations on driving either? And no libel laws? Or perhaps you want "freedom" for a religion whose leaders molest children? I know your side wants "freedom" for religions to discriminate against gays.

If Trump wins, it will indeed be a time to consider jumping off some bridges, or at least burn a few bridges behind us and revolt in some way. That's how serious it is that folks like yourself have been swept up in this cult and can't see the threat that Crump poses to our republic and all of our lives.

And is there nothing sacred? Trump wants to put himself up on Mt. Rushmore too!

(08-18-2020, 01:03 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I have to say, I have been watching the Democrats mainly talking to heir own supporters this evening.

(08-18-2020, 02:39 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: But the neighborhood vigilantes which Classic claims membership with and the rural militias are not yet engaged.  Plan quietly, sure.  Let rumors spread might be less wise.  They might actually do as suggested.

(08-18-2020, 05:08 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: The wording of the Second states the right shall not be infringed.  This forbids regulation.  Any attempt to infringe the Second would bounce out of any textual court that pays attention to what is written...