(05-03-2019, 09:44 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Racism is hardly new to America

(05-03-2019, 08:12 PM)TheNomad Wrote: [quote dateline='1556924283']
HELEN WILLISBigotry and Tribalism are part of the human condition and exist outside of the Turning System.

That being said having lived in the Rural Midwest, and the Urban Midwest as well as the suburban South PBR is wrong as usual.  I actually experenced the most racism in highly diverse areas where "multiculturalism" (really anti-culture) was the norm.  The more monolithic the culture of the area (black or white) the less the prevalence of racism.

I believe this is due to the fact that diversity + proximity = war.

Quote:However, probably the fundamental REALITY on which America exists is DIVERSITY.  If you have forgotten what that means since crossing the Fence, that means folks of all different backgrounds coming together and MELDING.  It's the actual spine of America. 

Xenophobia is the opposite of America.  If you want to know what is America, turn off Chris Rock and "Daddy" and google Statue Of Liberty Inscription".  Now feel free to misrepresent and skew that inscription, but most of us know we are living in times of dual realities.  The difference with me?  I see both realities.  Many do not.  Therefore, they cannot meet in truth in reality with others.  They can only exist in the reality where THEY WIN.

(05-03-2019, 11:32 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Excellent. We are seeing lots of 'mixed' marriages that have children with ambiguities about their origins. But we are getting used to this, aren't we? We adapt to reality or it breaks us.

(05-04-2019, 02:55 AM)TheNomad Wrote:

(05-03-2019, 11:32 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Excellent. We are seeing lots of 'mixed' marriages that have children with ambiguities about their origins. But we are getting used to this, aren't we? We adapt to reality or it breaks us.

How can it be?

Diversity + Proximity = War (D+P=W)

DPW for short.

If someone practice and believes the idea of DPW, that means automatic annihilation of the outsider.  They say "well, it just the way it is" but our collective beliefs is what causes all bombast.  While Jews were put into ovens because they were the "outsider" and we call that genocide.

Quote:How is DPW different from that?

They will say "it's not me or ppl like me making the wars happen, it's a product of original sin, man is evil and we will kill" notice how it changed in mid sentence from "ME" to "MAN"?  No responsibility for what they put into the world.

Quote:Too many ppl live a DPW religion.  And it is a religion.  It is anti integration, anti community, anti coexistence.  Therefore, it is pro segregation, pro exclusivity, pro genocide. 

Diversity + Proximity = War is what has destroyed humanity from the beginning.  I believe in America and the simple inscription on the state of liberty.  The same people who do these things are in church, they are in THEIR community plotting against the OTHER community they are performing genocide ON.  Actively searching for more and new ways to eject the Outsider from their midst, to take control of everything, to fashion it to their own likeness.

Quote:Anyone who does not join them is against them and therefore subject to metaphoric AND actual genocide.

DPW is the origin of pretty much all social ills, and they cannot deal with higher concepts like SJW for what it is: a forced recognition that someone exists and has the right to exist EVEN IF AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU DON'T WANT THEM AROUND YOU.

Quote:I am so utterly and unbelievably grateful to user @HelenWillis for summing up a unique idea into an easy-to-use MEME.  It literally fell out of the sky the idea that someone proclaiming DPW is actually voicing their opposition for certain people to exist anywhere near them.

(05-03-2019, 07:06 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Diversity + proximity = war? Then explain Switzerland. OK, so Switzerland is too bourgeois for that sort of thing. Now what about all the civil wars that have erupted in India between Muslims and Hindus since 1950 outside of Jammu and Kashmir. Ethnic strife has been rare between white Anglos and Hispanics in America, West Side Story notwithstanding. Diversity + proximity = war? Only when the divergent communities are veritable gangs. If you think that diversity + proximity = war, try Vancouver, where the disparate people differ less by skin color than anything else. That's right -- Europeans and Chinese. OK, so white Canadians and Chinese-Canadians share a desire for order, a respect for the value of education, and prosperity.

I can't discern a real difference between the Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland by physiognomy, speech patterns, and surnames -- yet there has been much strife in recent decades.  

Decent societies effectively repress civil strife. Their leaders do not egg it on. They see violent strife for the crime that it is and take the side of law and order. Do the crime, do the time.

The hazards of multiculturalism are myth. Most of us pick and choose in everything from cuisine to music. I don't have to be Japanese to appreciate Hokusai, I don't have to be Italian to appreciate Puccini, and I don't have to be Russian to appreciate Tolstoy. I need not be Greek to tell anyone that wise people read Plato because has says so much that had to be said by someone for the first time.  

What composer wrote such soulful music, at times with powerful rhythms that nobody could surpass irrespective of genre? Need one be white to appreciate Bach, let alone have lived in his time?








Heck, I've seen cranky theories that J S Bach was really a black man. Would I care if such were so? Not in the least.

It is not until the era of jazz that people start using Bach's strange but masterful tricks of melodic lines. Example:






 Unlikely pairing? Maybe. Cultural achievement and appreciation is not 'in the blood', or as we would say today, in the DNA. 

I have my idea of what constitutes genius -- breaking the rules and getting something wonderful and even obvious after the fact as with J S Bach. Insanity is breaking the rules, getting bad results, and pretending that the results are wonderful, as with Donald Trump.

(05-03-2019, 05:58 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Bigotry and Tribalism are part of the human condition and exist outside of the Turning System.

That being said having lived in the Rural Midwest, and the Urban Midwest as well as the suburban South PBR is wrong as usual.  I actually experenced the most racism in highly diverse areas where "multiculturalism" (really anti-culture) was the norm.  The more monolithic the culture of the area (black or white) the less the prevalence of racism.

I believe this is due to the fact that diversity + proximity = war.

(05-04-2019, 02:17 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(05-03-2019, 07:06 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Diversity + proximity = war? Then explain Switzerland. OK, so Switzerland is too bourgeois for that sort of thing. Now what about all the civil wars that have erupted in India between Muslims and Hindus since 1950 outside of Jammu and Kashmir. Ethnic strife has been rare between white Anglos and Hispanics in America, West Side Story notwithstanding. Diversity + proximity = war? Only when the divergent communities are veritable gangs. If you think that diversity + proximity = war, try Vancouver, where the disparate people differ less by skin color than anything else. That's right -- Europeans and Chinese. OK, so white Canadians and Chinese-Canadians share a desire for order, a respect for the value of education, and prosperity.

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I have my idea of what constitutes genius -- breaking the rules and getting something wonderful and even obvious after the fact as with J S Bach. Insanity is breaking the rules, getting bad results, and pretending that the results are wonderful, as with Donald Trump.

Insanity is claiming to be against the rules while going along with the rules, seeing and accepting bad results while still believing or hoping something wonderful will eventually occur or end up coming out of it. Well, you're a white man affiliated with a party that seems to hate white men/white people for some reason, yet you continue to support it for some reason without questioning its motives or its reasons for hating people like you so much these days.

Quote:I'm not concerned because I'm affiliated with a powerful American group that doesn't care about skin tone or gender or much of anything else directly related to blue identity politics. What is going to eventually happen to a bunch of clowns who are foolish enough to mess around and do its best to hinder/stifle American progress? Well, I for one don't really care about what eventually happens to them.

Quote:As I've mentioned before, once the country splits and blue America finds itself separated from the rest of America. What goes on within blue America ain't going to matter at that point because the rest of America will no longer have much of an interest in Blue America at that point. Our only interest will pertain to who Blue America eventually aligns itself with as far as global powers. Unfortunately, I don't see the people of Blue America having any say in that decision.

(05-03-2019, 01:00 AM)TheNomad Wrote: When is bigotry and racism or hatred and tribalism happening most in American civilization according to past Turnings?

In what Turning (of the four laid out by S&H) are these things happening the most?

Why does it seem that America always descends into factions during certain Turnings?  The idea of building walls and "grouping up" seems to make sense to many while in that period.  Folks are more willing to be against others and have no desire to "meld" with neighbors. 

When this is happening, is it a peak idea we can look at as to WHEN certain Turnings are happening?

Such as:

Where inside the Turning we are.  Beginning?  Middle?  End?  Does it correlate directly to the Turning?  When these things are at the societal zenith, we might be right in the Middle.  Or, if we see it happening, the Beginning.  Or, if it is getting resolved, the End?

(05-04-2019, 02:17 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Insanity is claiming to be against the rules while going along with the rules, seeing and accepting bad results while still believing or hoping something wonderful will eventually occur or end up coming out of it. Well, you're a white man affiliated with a party that seems to hate white men/white people for some reason, yet you continue to support it for some reason without questioning its motives or its reasons for hating people like you so much these days. I'm not concerned because I'm affiliated with a powerful American group that doesn't care about skin tone or gender or much of anything else directly related to blue identity politics. What is going to eventually happen to a bunch of clowns who are foolish enough to mess around and do its best to hinder/stifle American progress? Well, I for one don't really care about what eventually happens to them. As I've mentioned before, once the country splits and blue America finds itself separated from the rest of America. What goes on within blue America ain't going to matter at that point because the rest of America will no longer have much of an interest in Blue America at that point. Our only interest will pertain to who Blue America eventually aligns itself with as far as global powers. Unfortunately, I don't see the people of Blue America having any say in that decision.

(05-04-2019, 02:25 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(05-03-2019, 05:58 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Bigotry and Tribalism are part of the human condition and exist outside of the Turning System.

That being said having lived in the Rural Midwest, and the Urban Midwest as well as the suburban South PBR is wrong as usual.  I actually experenced the most racism in highly diverse areas where "multiculturalism" (really anti-culture) was the norm.  The more monolithic the culture of the area (black or white) the less the prevalence of racism.

I believe this is due to the fact that diversity + proximity = war.

I've been telling the blues to stop worrying about us/ focusing on us as the threat to their existence and start worrying about their own/focusing on their own because the greatest threat to them is their own so to speak.

(05-04-2019, 02:25 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(05-03-2019, 05:58 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Bigotry and Tribalism are part of the human condition and exist outside of the Turning System.

That being said having lived in the Rural Midwest, and the Urban Midwest as well as the suburban South PBR is wrong as usual.  I actually experenced the most racism in highly diverse areas where "multiculturalism" (really anti-culture) was the norm.  The more monolithic the culture of the area (black or white) the less the prevalence of racism.

I believe this is due to the fact that diversity + proximity = war.

I've been telling the blues to stop worrying about us/ focusing on us as the threat to their existence and start worrying about their own/focusing on their own because the greatest threat to them is their own so to speak.

(05-04-2019, 02:17 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(05-03-2019, 07:06 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Diversity + proximity = war? Then explain Switzerland. OK, so Switzerland is too bourgeois for that sort of thing. Now what about all the civil wars that have erupted in India between Muslims and Hindus since 1950 outside of Jammu and Kashmir. Ethnic strife has been rare between white Anglos and Hispanics in America, West Side Story notwithstanding. Diversity + proximity = war? Only when the divergent communities are veritable gangs. If you think that diversity + proximity = war, try Vancouver, where the disparate people differ less by skin color than anything else. That's right -- Europeans and Chinese. OK, so white Canadians and Chinese-Canadians share a desire for order, a respect for the value of education, and prosperity.

I can't discern a real difference between the Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland by physiognomy, speech patterns, and surnames -- yet there has been much strife in recent decades.  

Decent societies effectively repress civil strife. Their leaders do not egg it on. They see violent strife for the crime that it is and take the side of law and order. Do the crime, do the time.

The hazards of multiculturalism are myth. Most of us pick and choose in everything from cuisine to music. I don't have to be Japanese to appreciate Hokusai, I don't have to be Italian to appreciate Puccini, and I don't have to be Russian to appreciate Tolstoy. I need not be Greek to tell anyone that wise people read Plato because has says so much that had to be said by someone for the first time.  

What composer wrote such soulful music, at times with powerful rhythms that nobody could surpass irrespective of genre? Need one be white to appreciate Bach, let alone have lived in his time?








Heck, I've seen cranky theories that J S Bach was really a black man. Would I care if such were so? Not in the least.

It is not until the era of jazz that people start using Bach's strange but masterful tricks of melodic lines. Example:






 Unlikely pairing? Maybe. Cultural achievement and appreciation is not 'in the blood', or as we would say today, in the DNA. 

I have my idea of what constitutes genius -- breaking the rules and getting something wonderful and even obvious after the fact as with J S Bach. Insanity is breaking the rules, getting bad results, and pretending that the results are wonderful, as with Donald Trump.

Insanity is claiming to be against the rules while going along with the rules, seeing and accepting bad results while still believing or hoping something wonderful will eventually occur or end up coming out of it. Well, you're a white man affiliated with a party that seems to hate white men/white people for some reason, yet you continue to support it for some reason without questioning its motives or its reasons for hating people like you so much these days. I'm not concerned because I'm affiliated with a powerful American group that doesn't care about skin tone or gender or much of anything else directly related to blue identity politics. What is going to eventually happen to a bunch of clowns who are foolish enough to mess around and do its best to hinder/stifle American progress? Well, I for one don't really care about what eventually happens to them. As I've mentioned before, once the country splits and blue America finds itself separated from the rest of America. What goes on within blue America ain't going to matter at that point because the rest of America will no longer have much of an interest in Blue America at that point. Our only interest will pertain to who Blue America eventually aligns itself with as far as global powers. Unfortunately, I don't see the people of Blue America having any say in that decision.

(05-04-2019, 07:44 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: I would counter that I prefer them focusing on us rather than themselves.  Should they actually become self-aware they may take steps to prevent their own demise. 

(05-04-2019, 07:59 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(05-04-2019, 02:17 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(05-03-2019, 07:06 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Diversity + proximity = war? Then explain Switzerland. OK, so Switzerland is too bourgeois for that sort of thing. Now what about all the civil wars that have erupted in India between Muslims and Hindus since 1950 outside of Jammu and Kashmir. Ethnic strife has been rare between white Anglos and Hispanics in America, West Side Story notwithstanding. Diversity + proximity = war? Only when the divergent communities are veritable gangs. If you think that diversity + proximity = war, try Vancouver, where the disparate people differ less by skin color than anything else. That's right -- Europeans and Chinese. OK, so white Canadians and Chinese-Canadians share a desire for order, a respect for the value of education, and prosperity.

I can't discern a real difference between the Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland by physiognomy, speech patterns, and surnames -- yet there has been much strife in recent decades.  

Decent societies effectively repress civil strife. Their leaders do not egg it on. They see violent strife for the crime that it is and take the side of law and order. Do the crime, do the time.

The hazards of multiculturalism are myth. Most of us pick and choose in everything from cuisine to music. I don't have to be Japanese to appreciate Hokusai, I don't have to be Italian to appreciate Puccini, and I don't have to be Russian to appreciate Tolstoy. I need not be Greek to tell anyone that wise people read Plato because has says so much that had to be said by someone for the first time.  

What composer wrote such soulful music, at times with powerful rhythms that nobody could surpass irrespective of genre? Need one be white to appreciate Bach, let alone have lived in his time?








Heck, I've seen cranky theories that J S Bach was really a black man. Would I care if such were so? Not in the least.

It is not until the era of jazz that people start using Bach's strange but masterful tricks of melodic lines. Example:






 Unlikely pairing? Maybe. Cultural achievement and appreciation is not 'in the blood', or as we would say today, in the DNA. 

I have my idea of what constitutes genius -- breaking the rules and getting something wonderful and even obvious after the fact as with J S Bach. Insanity is breaking the rules, getting bad results, and pretending that the results are wonderful, as with Donald Trump.

Insanity is claiming to be against the rules while going along with the rules, seeing and accepting bad results while still believing or hoping something wonderful will eventually occur or end up coming out of it. Well, you're a white man affiliated with a party that seems to hate white men/white people for some reason, yet you continue to support it for some reason without questioning its motives or its reasons for hating people like you so much these days. I'm not concerned because I'm affiliated with a powerful American group that doesn't care about skin tone or gender or much of anything else directly related to blue identity politics. What is going to eventually happen to a bunch of clowns who are foolish enough to mess around and do its best to hinder/stifle American progress? Well, I for one don't really care about what eventually happens to them. As I've mentioned before, once the country splits and blue America finds itself separated from the rest of America. What goes on within blue America ain't going to matter at that point because the rest of America will no longer have much of an interest in Blue America at that point. Our only interest will pertain to who Blue America eventually aligns itself with as far as global powers. Unfortunately, I don't see the people of Blue America having any say in that decision.

PBR lives in a fantasy land as he proved with his after this one.  Or at the very least if he does live in the same reality as everyone else, he must have unpluged his brain some time during the 1970s if he actually believe the nonsense he just spouted, and isn't just shilling for someone.

As for Blue America, I doubt any outside power would ally with it.  Should they split off they would begin to starve in a matter of weeks.  We can live without Hollyweird movies or Silly-Con Valley but they will have a hard time living without our corn, wheat, and oil.

(05-04-2019, 07:59 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: [quote pid='43088' dateline='1556997459']
Insanity is claiming to be against the rules while going along with the rules, seeing and accepting bad results while still believing or hoping something wonderful will eventually occur or end up coming out of it. Well, you're a white man affiliated with a party that seems to hate white men/white people for some reason, yet you continue to support it for some reason without questioning its motives or its reasons for hating people like you so much these days. I'm not concerned because I'm affiliated with a powerful American group that doesn't care about skin tone or gender or much of anything else directly related to blue identity politics. What is going to eventually happen to a bunch of clowns who are foolish enough to mess around and do its best to hinder/stifle American progress? Well, I for one don't really care about what eventually happens to them. As I've mentioned before, once the country splits and blue America finds itself separated from the rest of America. What goes on within blue America ain't going to matter at that point because the rest of America will no longer have much of an interest in Blue America at that point. Our only interest will pertain to who Blue America eventually aligns itself with as far as global powers. Unfortunately, I don't see the people of Blue America having any say in that decision.