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RE: The Maelstrom of Violence - Classic-Xer - 01-22-2021

(01-21-2021, 05:45 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: It's state governments that are dispensing the vaccine as allocated to the states. The States are not producing the vaccine. Essential workers and vulnerable people get it first. 

I notice your hatred toward people who are the wrong sort of American to you. The media have been good so far about not making deaths from COVID-19 an issue of ethnicity or political orientation. Even so, the numbers are horrible, and those so far indict the former President whose name need not be mentioned. .
Ain't much a person can do about COVID deaths when there wasn't a vaccine available and completely locking down people and shutting down everything was impossible/unthinkable. I wish Biden was in office at the time to prove it to you but he wasn't at the time. I could be like you and go ape shit over every death that occurs this year and every flare up or new strain that shows up or manages to sneak in that results in deaths while Biden/Harris are in office now that the world knows that the do nothing Democrats and immigrant (legal or not) friendly Democrats are back in charge. Personally speaking, I knew more people who died of heart failure and cancer than I know who died of COVID and I know a lot of people who have had COVID and people who were classified as high risk who had it too. I guess, I must be affiliated and directly associated with stronger and more healthier people than you and others here. My wife knew a couple but they were constantly at risk of dying and struggling to live and suffering from very serious problems.


RE: The Maelstrom of Violence - Classic-Xer - 01-22-2021

(01-21-2021, 12:33 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-20-2021, 06:41 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: You keep talking about the collapse of conservative values that I refer to as traditional American values that are directly related to you and much of the Democratic population that exists today. The Democratic party has now been placed in charge of its own fate and the fate of a portion of the country ( the people directly related to it and the people reliant on it and those who have greatly benefited from being related) that it currently controls.

The values I see as ready to collapse include racism, sexism, elitism, anti science, and the use of lies to create political fantasies.

There is much positive that is associated with the cavalier, rural, conservative part of America.  The above factors are not among them.

Now you have not loudly advocated any of them.  You may have been fooled by some of the lies.  You have have bought into the conservative fantasies.  But you don't seem to spend a lot of time ranting in favor of the questionable traits of the Republican Party.

I see a struggle about to commence for what is left of the Republican Party.  A few days ago, I believe Trump had the advantage over the Establishment and traditional conservatives.  Now, with the lack of people showing up for Trump's goodbye at Andrews, I am not so sure.  January 6th's big crowds, Trump flags and fanatic loyalty to Trump was totally missing.  The expected insurgencies didn't materialize.  Biden was able to set the tone.

Now if conservatives could let go of Trump, if the rejection of the establishment and the elites that was featured in the Tea Party days could return, if the Lincoln Project and similar disgruntled conservatives could bring together the remnants of the party...

We'll have to see.
Racism isn't going to collapse as long as the Democrats continue to support it and continue to promote it and continue exploit it like I've been telling you. The Democrats have a problem with racist minded blacks and a problem with black demagogues and black lawyers associated with them exploiting racist beliefs that insight riots and other criminal activity. And a problem with people like you and others here jump on band wagons and associate everything bad that happens related to blacks with racism. Your playing with fire dude. The Democrats also have a problem with elitism. What's going on with Face Book and Twitter and a group of corporations and the problem with Democratic leadership and its college educated base and it's inability to relate or appeal to normal folks proves it. Look at you, you're WEIRD and act like being WEIRD some how grants a higher status over me because I'm normal. I could out wit you at every turn, match you tit for tat argument wise and even cut you off and make you look like a complete moron or jerk but as long as you view yourself being a member of the WEIRD group then you'll always remain above everyone else.


RE: The Maelstrom of Violence - pbrower2a - 01-22-2021

Wear masks. Avoid crowds. Do social distancing. Wash hands for twenty seconds.

Think of how high the death toll would be if more people hadn't done the right things. President Biden is trying to do on a national scale what President Trump didn't do in a timely manner.  That itself would have stopped the plague by now, vaccine or not.

It may be paradoxical, but I refuse to go along with the attitude that one of the vilest of all people in history expressed. One of the nastiest assessments by anyone not wearing a swastika armband was this:

[Image: stalin-424833.jpg]


One death is a tragedy. A million is a statistic. Josef Stalin. 

....I have sought to humanize the people who die, which is tough to do when one does not see people die of COVID-19. Start with the obvious. I have compared  death tolls to various disasters, to wars, and to the sizes of cities. As one gets into the zone of the cities fortieth to fiftieth in the population of the United States the cities spread out in frequency. If I haven't mentioned a new comparison of cities it is because the next city on the list is about 20,000 larger than the last one that I mentioned. 

COVID-19 is a lonely way of death when it kills. It is usually tucked away in a medical ward because it is so contagious. I've been around people dying of congestive heart failure, lupus, complications of diabetes, cirrhosis, Parkinsonism, and of course cancer. None of those are contagious. AIDS is contagious, but it is contagious largely from certain forms of contact. If you want to know how I want to go -- basically, without a clue that I am about to die. OK, maybe enough time in which to kiss up to the Almighty.

Donald Trump may not quite be a murderer, but he is certainly culpable in negligent homicide on a grand scale. For that he is evil. For his sake, may he have the same opportunity as the condemned have on Death Row to atone for his monstrous sins before facing Divine Judgment. I hope that he finds Jesus if that is what it takes to keep him from going to Hell. He's not going to find anything else. Forget the fire and brimstone... the worst aspect of Hell is the company... like Nazis and Stalinists.


RE: The Maelstrom of Violence - beechnut79 - 01-22-2021

(01-22-2021, 08:23 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Wear masks. Avoid crowds. Do social distancing. Wash hands for twenty seconds.

Think of how high the death toll would be if more people hadn't done the right things. President Biden is trying to do on a national scale what President Trump didn't do in a timely manner.  That itself would have stopped the plague by now, vaccine or not.

It may be paradoxical, but I refuse to go along with the attitude that one of the vilest of all people in history expressed. One of the nastiest assessments by anyone not wearing a swastika armband was this:

[Image: stalin-424833.jpg]


One death is a tragedy. A million is a statistic. Josef Stalin. 

....I have sought to humanize the people who die, which is tough to do when one does not see people die of COVID-19. Start with the obvious. I have compared  death tolls to various disasters, to wars, and to the sizes of cities. As one gets into the zone of the cities fortieth to fiftieth in the population of the United States the cities spread out in frequency. If I haven't mentioned a new comparison of cities it is because the next city on the list is about 20,000 larger than the last one that I mentioned. 

COVID-19 is a lonely way of death when it kills. It is usually tucked away in a medical ward because it is so contagious. I've been around people dying of congestive heart failure, lupus, complications of diabetes, cirrhosis, Parkinsonism, and of course cancer. None of those are contagious. AIDS is contagious, but it is contagious largely from certain forms of contact. If you want to know how I want to go -- basically, without a clue that I am about to die. OK, maybe enough time in which to kiss up to the Almighty.

Donald Trump may not quite be a murderer, but he is certainly culpable in negligent homicide on a grand scale. For that he is evil. For his sake, may he have the same opportunity as the condemned have on Death Row to atone for his monstrous sins before facing Divine Judgment. I hope that he finds Jesus if that is what it takes to keep him from going to Hell. He's not going to find anything else. Forget the fire and brimstone... the worst aspect of Hell is the company... like Nazis and Stalinists.
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RE: The Maelstrom of Violence - pbrower2a - 01-22-2021

(01-22-2021, 08:54 PM)beechnut79 Wrote: Just noticed that spam seems to be reappearing on a couple of the sub-forums.

Yup. False documents again. Considering the trouble that false documents can get people into... someone has some repenting to do after getting banned.


RE: The Maelstrom of Violence - Classic-Xer - 01-22-2021

(01-22-2021, 08:23 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Wear masks. Avoid crowds. Do social distancing. Wash hands for twenty seconds.

Think of how high the death toll would be if more people hadn't done the right things. President Biden is trying to do on a national scale what President Trump didn't do in a timely manner.  That itself would have stopped the plague by now, vaccine or not.

It may be paradoxical, but I refuse to go along with the attitude that one of the vilest of all people in history expressed. One of the nastiest assessments by anyone not wearing a swastika armband was this:

[Image: stalin-424833.jpg]


One death is a tragedy. A million is a statistic. Josef Stalin. 

....I have sought to humanize the people who die, which is tough to do when one does not see people die of COVID-19. Start with the obvious. I have compared  death tolls to various disasters, to wars, and to the sizes of cities. As one gets into the zone of the cities fortieth to fiftieth in the population of the United States the cities spread out in frequency. If I haven't mentioned a new comparison of cities it is because the next city on the list is about 20,000 larger than the last one that I mentioned. 

COVID-19 is a lonely way of death when it kills. It is usually tucked away in a medical ward because it is so contagious. I've been around people dying of congestive heart failure, lupus, complications of diabetes, cirrhosis, Parkinsonism, and of course cancer. None of those are contagious. AIDS is contagious, but it is contagious largely from certain forms of contact. If you want to know how I want to go -- basically, without a clue that I am about to die. OK, maybe enough time in which to kiss up to the Almighty.

Donald Trump may not quite be a murderer, but he is certainly culpable in negligent homicide on a grand scale. For that he is evil. For his sake, may he have the same opportunity as the condemned have on Death Row to atone for his monstrous sins before facing Divine Judgment. I hope that he finds Jesus if that is what it takes to keep him from going to Hell. He's not going to find anything else. Forget the fire and brimstone... the worst aspect of Hell is the company... like Nazis and Stalinists.
I think its pretty clear that wearing masks, avoiding crowds, social distancing and washing hands didn't prevent the death of over 400,000 Americans. The Chinese Regime is culpable of negligent homicide on a grand scale. I get the impression that you forget who is ultimately responsible for the COVID 19 pandemic. Are you working for China or passing on their propaganda or what? I know that the Democrats would rather suck up and kiss their ass and let bygones be bygones and get back to business as usual but that's going to be hard to do as we continue to take on losses even with the Democratic version of Moses in power.


RE: The Maelstrom of Violence - pbrower2a - 01-23-2021

(01-22-2021, 11:51 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-22-2021, 08:23 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Wear masks. Avoid crowds. Do social distancing. Wash hands for twenty seconds.

Think of how high the death toll would be if more people hadn't done the right things. President Biden is trying to do on a national scale what President Trump didn't do in a timely manner.  That itself would have stopped the plague by now, vaccine or not.

It may be paradoxical, but I refuse to go along with the attitude that one of the vilest of all people in history expressed. One of the nastiest assessments by anyone not wearing a swastika armband was this


One death is a tragedy. A million is a statistic. -- Josef Stalin. 

....I have sought to humanize the people who die, which is tough to do when one does not see people die of COVID-19. Start with the obvious. I have compared  death tolls to various disasters, to wars, and to the sizes of cities. As one gets into the zone of the cities fortieth to fiftieth in the population of the United States the cities spread out in frequency. If I haven't mentioned a new comparison of cities it is because the next city on the list is about 20,000 larger than the last one that I mentioned. 

COVID-19 is a lonely way of death when it kills. It is usually tucked away in a medical ward because it is so contagious. I've been around people dying of congestive heart failure, lupus, complications of diabetes, cirrhosis, Parkinsonism, and of course cancer. None of those are contagious. AIDS is contagious, but it is contagious largely from certain forms of contact. If you want to know how I want to go -- basically, without a clue that I am about to die. OK, maybe enough time in which to kiss up to the Almighty.

Donald Trump may not quite be a murderer, but he is certainly culpable in negligent homicide on a grand scale. For that he is evil. For his sake, may he have the same opportunity as the condemned have on Death Row to atone for his monstrous sins before facing Divine Judgment. I hope that he finds Jesus if that is what it takes to keep him from going to Hell. He's not going to find anything else. Forget the fire and brimstone... the worst aspect of Hell is the company... like Nazis and Stalinists.

I think its pretty clear that wearing masks, avoiding crowds, social distancing and washing hands didn't prevent the death of over 400,000 Americans. The Chinese Regime is culpable of negligent homicide on a grand scale. I get the impression that you forget who is ultimately responsible for the COVID 19 pandemic. Are you working for China or passing on their propaganda or what? I know that the Democrats would rather suck up and kiss their ass and let bygones be bygones and get back to business as usual but that's going to be hard to do as we continue to take on losses even with the Democratic version of Moses in power.

I may be alive because I wore a mask, avoided crowds, did social distancing, and washed my hands for twenty seconds or more after any pretext. I know well the source of the SAES-2 virus that inflicts COVID-19... and I am going to fault China for weak regulation of its 'wet markets'. China is still relatively new to free markets, and some free markets are inappropriate. Someone butchered a bat, and bats are among the worst animal vectors for infection in existence. (The blue-ring octopus kills with a venom that is really a powerful bacterium; a Komodo dragon has a witch's brew of infectious diseases in its bite with the bite leading to sepsis; bites by monkeys and great apes are dangerous because.. well, we are great apes and are vulnerable to their germs as we aren't to those of cats and dogs). I can't imagine eating dog or cat meat, both of which are (or have been) available on the open market in China, so I would avoid any Chinese 'wet market'. 

China? Negligent homicide on a large scale? With the Uighurs and Tibetans it is murder. The real killer in China in decades since the Communist takeover (and really before) is famine. That seems to be over.  China can clamp down on destructive behavior more harshly and effectively than the USA can... well, it is no democracy, and it is willing to use the death penalty against economic crimes. OK, I endorse the death penalty for human trafficking, which is a modern-day slave trade. 

The problem is not that America has democracy and China doesn't. The United States can clamp down on a clear and present danger quickly and effectively, as it did after 9/11. This said, George W. Bush may not have been the wisest President that we ever had, but he was at least amenable to people with knowledge far better and more reliable than his own. Donald Trump has failed catastrophically as a leader, encouraging people to act upon their impulses when such overpower wise choices.


RE: The Maelstrom of Violence - Bob Butler 54 - 01-23-2021

(01-22-2021, 11:51 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I think its pretty clear that wearing masks, avoiding crowds, social distancing and washing hands didn't prevent the death of over 400,000 Americans.

It is pretty clear that not wearing masks, avoiding crowds, social distancing and washing hands caused many of those deaths.


RE: The Maelstrom of Violence - pbrower2a - 01-23-2021

(01-23-2021, 04:42 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-22-2021, 11:51 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I think its pretty clear that wearing masks, avoiding crowds, social distancing and washing hands didn't prevent the death of over 400,000 Americans.

It is pretty clear that not wearing masks, avoiding crowds, social distancing and washing hands caused many of those deaths.

It is not as easy as it sounds. The world under a pandemic is scary, boring, frustrating, and lonely. Some of us have plenty of habits to break, and plenty of things that we do with little thought to assess for their safety. COVID-19 is as dangerous as warfare, having a similar death toll -- at least by American standards. This time, as in war, the people putting their lives on the line are not largely young men who would otherwise be doing raw labor but instead have a uniform and a gun and orders to keep firing at the Enemy until relieved of duty or either killed or wounded. 

Soldiers at war are under rigid discipline, and finding a way in which to evade that is the severe crime of desertion that has often been cause for execution. One keeps fighting and facing the Enemy gunfire because one more fears the commanding officer, soldiers in the rear ordered to shoot anyone retreating, or a court martial and some degrading treatment that may result in a horrible way to die. 

Like war, COVID-19 is unnatural. As with soldiers, most of us will return to more normal lives after the menace is gone... but not until then. Vaccines were rushed, so they may not be 100% effective. 90% effectiveness will be enough to create an effective "herd immunity". As for going back to normal there will be places to go, things to do, and people to visit. 

COVID-19 will be one of the arch-villains in American history, and Donald Trump will be seen almost as America's quisling for having practically collaborated with an enemy that has killed 400,000 people in America and counting.


RE: The Maelstrom of Violence - Bob Butler 54 - 01-23-2021

(01-23-2021, 11:21 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Like war, COVID-19 is unnatural.

Nitpick.  War has been part of human interaction throughout the ages.  It is, unfortunately, part of our natural behavior.  It was cost effective, at least for the winners, though the late Industrial Age.  Even then we are only slowly learning to avoid it.

I would add that pandemics are natural too.  They have happened throughout history.

The new normal of the Information Age should not make us forget what came before.  Abolishing war and plagues is a work in progress.

But I agree with most of the post.


RE: The Maelstrom of Violence - pbrower2a - 01-23-2021

The COVID-19 pandemic is 'unnatural' in that such a pandemic supposedly does not fester in an advanced industrial society with a sophisticated political system -- until it does. AIDS at the least was associated (after some other means of infection) with abnormal behavior such as IV drug use or extreme excess of sexuality.

Because of nukes, war has become less attractive even in countries with large military establishments. One of the supreme ironies is that the leaders who dislike war (Lincoln, FDR, Churchill, George H W Bush) conduct it most effectively. The fire-breathing militarists (Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Nasser, Saddam Hussein) bungle it in their arrogant claims of their mastery of history. One of the old causes of war in which some king got angry with another king over some insult. The despots are now mostly dictators and not kings. If it takes gunboat diplomacy to keep the peace (some cranky dictator says. "maybe I shouldn't let drug dealers use my country as a way station, or maybe it's a bad idea to persecute people for their ethnicity or religion"... fine. Maybe that prevents war... and drug trafficking or persecutions.


RE: The Maelstrom of Violence - David Horn - 01-24-2021

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(01-23-2021, 04:42 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-22-2021, 11:51 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I think its pretty clear that wearing masks, avoiding crowds, social distancing and washing hands didn't prevent the death of over 400,000 Americans.

It is pretty clear that not wearing masks, not avoiding crowds, not social distancing and not washing hands caused many of those deaths.



RE: The Maelstrom of Violence - David Horn - 01-24-2021

(01-23-2021, 02:31 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The COVID-19 pandemic is 'unnatural' in that such a pandemic supposedly does not fester in an advanced industrial society with a sophisticated political system -- until it does...

I don't agree. What made COVID so devastating in both the UK and the US was the unwillingness or incapability of the citizenry to comply with health restrictions, coupled with faux-frugality that meant it was impossible for most people (read: not well educated and/or well-to-do) to follow the strict rules.  Sorry, but both are features not bugs.


RE: The Maelstrom of Violence - Classic-Xer - 01-24-2021

(01-23-2021, 04:42 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-22-2021, 11:51 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I think its pretty clear that wearing masks, avoiding crowds, social distancing and washing hands didn't prevent the death of over 400,000 Americans.

It is pretty clear that not wearing masks, avoiding crowds, social distancing and washing hands caused many of those deaths.
We had several months of large scale protesting and violent protesting that I'm sure caused/contributed to the death of thousands of people.


RE: The Maelstrom of Violence - Classic-Xer - 01-24-2021

(01-24-2021, 10:59 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-23-2021, 02:31 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The COVID-19 pandemic is 'unnatural' in that such a pandemic supposedly does not fester in an advanced industrial society with a sophisticated political system -- until it does...

I don't agree. What made COVID so devastating in both the UK and the US was the unwillingness or incapability of the citizenry to comply with health restrictions, coupled with faux-frugality that meant it was impossible for most people (read: not well educated and/or well-to-do) to follow the strict rules.  Sorry, but both are features not bugs.
We're in the middle of a global pandemic and if you think wearing a flimsy mask is going to prevent you or a loved one from getting it or bringing it home then you're being foolish. I don't know anyone who didn't get it while wearing a mask in public. No, you and the grand puba have to figure out a way to shut down America without causing all kinds of problems like the Chinese regime can do today. We have a pesky little bug that can make people who wear masks just as sick as the ones who aren't wearing masks.


RE: The Maelstrom of Violence - Classic-Xer - 01-24-2021

(01-23-2021, 11:29 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-23-2021, 11:21 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Like war, COVID-19 is unnatural.

Nitpick.  War has been part of human interaction throughout the ages.  It is, unfortunately, part of our natural behavior.  It was cost effective, at least for the winners, though the late Industrial Age.  Even then we are only slowly learning to avoid it.

I would add that pandemics are natural too.  They have happened throughout history.

The new normal of the Information Age should not make us forget what came before.  Abolishing war and plagues is a work in progress.

But I agree with most of the post.
Actually, the COVID bug wasn't a product of nature as you say. COVID19 was most likely manufactured by a group humans (scientists) working in a Chinese laboratory in Wuhan, China. You should start watching FOX more, you might learn something completely different that blue media isn't telling you these days.


RE: The Maelstrom of Violence - pbrower2a - 01-25-2021

(01-24-2021, 11:43 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-23-2021, 11:29 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-23-2021, 11:21 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Like war, COVID-19 is unnatural.

Nitpick.  War has been part of human interaction throughout the ages.  It is, unfortunately, part of our natural behavior.  It was cost effective, at least for the winners, though the late Industrial Age.  Even then we are only slowly learning to avoid it.

I would add that pandemics are natural too.  They have happened throughout history.

The new normal of the Information Age should not make us forget what came before.  Abolishing war and plagues is a work in progress.

But I agree with most of the post.

Actually, the COVID bug wasn't a product of nature as you say. COVID19 was most likely manufactured by a group humans (scientists) working in a Chinese laboratory in Wuhan, China. You should start watching FOX more, you might learn something completely different that blue media isn't telling you these days.

No. Just no. Mad scientists may be commonplace grist for horror tales from Frankenstein to Metropolis to ... well, it is a fertile plot line. Mad scientists are rare, except among perverted medical experimenters such as those who did dehumanizing experiments upon helpless 'test patients' in Nazi concentration camps under the encouragement of high-level political figures such as Hermann Goering. 

The conventional story comes from someone butchering a bat. Bats do not have good immune systems, but they can segregate bacteria and viruses best kept in them.  China watches laboratories that have anything dangerous -- radiation, germs, highly-toxic substances -- carefully. Misconduct with something deadly is likely to get one sentenced to death and executed. 

Chinese regulation of  'wet markets' is weak, and one can supposedly get any meat that you want except for human flesh there. Yes, that includes dog meat, which offends many Americans very sentimental about their pooches. But dog meat is relatively safe if it isn't full of medication. Bat meat is terribly unsafe to process. 

FoX News is not reliable on anything political... I trust Chinese Central Television far more on international news (but not about China, of course!) than I trust highly-politicized FoX Propaganda Channel.


RE: The Maelstrom of Violence - David Horn - 01-25-2021

(01-24-2021, 11:43 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-23-2021, 11:29 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-23-2021, 11:21 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Like war, COVID-19 is unnatural.

Nitpick.  War has been part of human interaction throughout the ages.  It is, unfortunately, part of our natural behavior.  It was cost effective, at least for the winners, though the late Industrial Age.  Even then we are only slowly learning to avoid it.

I would add that pandemics are natural too.  They have happened throughout history.

The new normal of the Information Age should not make us forget what came before.  Abolishing war and plagues is a work in progress.

But I agree with most of the post.

Actually, the COVID bug wasn't a product of nature as you say. COVID19 was most likely manufactured by a group humans (scientists) working in a Chinese laboratory in Wuhan, China. You should start watching FOX more, you might learn something completely different that blue media isn't telling you these days.

The world's leading authorities on infectious diseases determined that COVID19 may be a novel virus, it's not a manufactured one.  What authority does FOX call on for it's baseless claim?


RE: The Maelstrom of Violence - David Horn - 01-25-2021

(01-24-2021, 11:33 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-24-2021, 10:59 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-23-2021, 02:31 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The COVID-19 pandemic is 'unnatural' in that such a pandemic supposedly does not fester in an advanced industrial society with a sophisticated political system -- until it does...

I don't agree. What made COVID so devastating in both the UK and the US was the unwillingness or incapability of the citizenry to comply with health restrictions, coupled with faux-frugality that meant it was impossible for most people (read: not well educated and/or well-to-do) to follow the strict rules.  Sorry, but both are features not bugs.

We're in the middle of a global pandemic and if you think wearing a flimsy mask is going to prevent you or a loved one from getting it or bringing it home then you're being foolish. I don't know anyone who didn't get it while wearing a mask in public. No, you and the grand puba have to figure out a way to shut down America without causing all kinds of problems like the Chinese regime can do today. We have a pesky little bug that can make people who wear masks just as sick as the ones who aren't wearing masks.

If you run your HVAC without a filter, what happens?  The same applies to humans.  It's not perfect; it's vastly better than the alternative.  Note: the degree of COVID illness is based on the quantity of the exposure, so cutting the amount of virus down by 2/3 or 3/4 is significant.


RE: The Maelstrom of Violence - Classic-Xer - 01-25-2021

(01-25-2021, 01:02 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-24-2021, 11:43 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(01-23-2021, 11:29 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(01-23-2021, 11:21 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Like war, COVID-19 is unnatural.

Nitpick.  War has been part of human interaction throughout the ages.  It is, unfortunately, part of our natural behavior.  It was cost effective, at least for the winners, though the late Industrial Age.  Even then we are only slowly learning to avoid it.

I would add that pandemics are natural too.  They have happened throughout history.

The new normal of the Information Age should not make us forget what came before.  Abolishing war and plagues is a work in progress.

But I agree with most of the post.

Actually, the COVID bug wasn't a product of nature as you say. COVID19 was most likely manufactured by a group humans (scientists) working in a Chinese laboratory in Wuhan, China. You should start watching FOX more, you might learn something completely different that blue media isn't telling you these days.

The world's leading authorities on infectious diseases determined that COVID19 may be a novel virus, it's not a manufactured one.  What authority does FOX call on for it's baseless claim?
The chance of a bat from this part of the world and a bat from that part of the world coming in contact with each other then coming in contact with another animal of some sort (undetermined by science at the moment) before coming into contact with a human and then spreading world wide is what? One in a billion chance? There's a group of scientists who know that the virus was made by man in a laboratory in Wuhan, China. So, where did you get your information? China or a group of leading authorities who are in business with China?