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(09-16-2020, 12:16 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (09-15-2020, 11:33 AM)Mikebert Wrote: (09-09-2020, 01:57 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: That's what you thought but you still had to ask? Well, I'd still leave yo...
Mikebert General Political Discussion 2,642 173,109 09-18-2020, 12:09 PM
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(09-09-2020, 01:57 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: That's what you thought but you still had to ask? Well, I'd still leave you hanging from a limb and I'd still leave you to fend for yourself or leave you to ...
Mikebert General Political Discussion 2,642 173,109 09-15-2020, 11:33 AM
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(09-07-2020, 11:16 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Dude, I've never had an interest in your personal property, your personal income/ wealth or your family related issues that may grow beyond family related  a...
Mikebert General Political Discussion 2,642 173,109 09-08-2020, 12:41 PM
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(08-30-2020, 05:43 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Did you know that its illegal to protect your property in Minneapolis or confront someone who is stealing your stuff in Minneapolis? You have rights, I have ...
Mikebert General Political Discussion 2,642 173,109 09-07-2020, 08:46 AM
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(08-29-2020, 12:18 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: You better think harder than you normally do  because you're response may determine whether you live or die because it's pretty clear that it's my group who ...
Mikebert General Political Discussion 2,642 173,109 08-30-2020, 04:05 PM
    Thread: I'm a sceptic that the 4th Turning started in 2008
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(08-17-2020, 10:30 AM)David Horn Wrote: But eventually, the youth will have had enough.  It may take a decade or two (what could be the 2T in the S&H cycle), but the longer it takes to get there...
Mikebert Turnings 295 28,311 08-20-2020, 01:45 PM
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(08-16-2020, 10:35 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: (08-16-2020, 03:03 PM)Mikebert Wrote: 4. External conquest or at least invasion. Robert Butler has dealt with this one, so this is out. Should I go look...
Mikebert Turnings 295 28,311 08-20-2020, 01:35 PM
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(08-07-2020, 02:17 PM)TeacherinExile Wrote: I know, I know...you and Eric are talking about an internal war (civil, guerilla or otherwise), not an external conflict.  True, a guerilla war is asymmet...
Mikebert Turnings 295 28,311 08-16-2020, 03:03 PM
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(08-07-2020, 03:51 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: History has operated by slightly-different rules in the Industrial Age than in the Agrarian Age, and may operate differently in the post-Industrial age. True ...
Mikebert Turnings 295 28,311 08-08-2020, 10:50 AM
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(08-04-2020, 03:23 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: (08-03-2020, 04:16 PM)Mikebert Wrote: The Armada doesn't even look like a 4T.  Have you ever seen anyone use examples from THAT crisis to illustrate 4T i...
Mikebert Turnings 295 28,311 08-08-2020, 09:48 AM
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Bob Butler 54I did call trigger on COVID 19 fairly early.  A big part of red ethics was small government, low taxes, ignore the science and ignore all problems.  But its not. That's just their schtic...
Mikebert Turnings 295 28,311 08-03-2020, 06:57 PM
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A very simple way to put the saeculum is during a 4T a new order is formed.  This order works well for a time and then runs into difficulty when it encounters issues in the 2T that were not salient wh...
Mikebert Turnings 295 28,311 08-03-2020, 04:16 PM
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(08-03-2020, 02:01 AM)TeacherinExile Wrote: Mikebert: So I have a question for you, and I pose it with all due respect because I have read your posts over the years with more than a little interest,...
Mikebert Turnings 295 28,311 08-03-2020, 07:58 AM
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(07-31-2020, 02:35 PM)TeacherinExile Wrote: (07-31-2020, 02:17 PM)Mikebert Wrote: (07-30-2020, 07:29 PM)RadianMay Wrote: Perhaps. I’ve given the thought that this Crisis might have started in 20...
Mikebert Turnings 295 28,311 08-02-2020, 09:21 PM
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(07-30-2020, 07:29 PM)RadianMay Wrote: Perhaps. I’ve given the thought that this Crisis might have started in 2017 perhaps with Trump’s rise to presidency. That could have been the event that passed...
Mikebert Turnings 295 28,311 07-31-2020, 02:17 PM
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(07-28-2020, 12:26 PM)Einzige Wrote: Now, we did get a lot of physical infrastructure out of the last High - the Interstate Highway System, NASA, etc. Did we get much in the way of social infrastru...
Mikebert Turnings 295 28,311 07-28-2020, 01:16 PM
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(07-26-2020, 09:47 PM)Marc Lamb Wrote: A solid case for the most dominate issue of the 1932 political campaign was not the 1929 market crash, but rather repeal of the 18th Amendment. Kinda destroys ...
Mikebert Turnings 295 28,311 07-27-2020, 08:37 PM
    Thread: I'm a sceptic that the 4th Turning started in 2008
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(07-24-2020, 09:38 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Clearly, you have more political revolutions and critical elections that S&H proposed crises.  Not all of them can be crises. They aren't. Critical ele...
Mikebert Turnings 295 28,311 07-25-2020, 06:05 PM
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(07-21-2020, 09:31 PM)Marc Lamb Wrote: We now be 4t, officially ... finally! Yep, but I would submit it has only begun recently, and so not in line with generations as currently constituted. Also I...
Mikebert Turnings 295 28,311 07-24-2020, 06:20 AM
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Consider the generations as commonly asserted today: 1946-1964 Boomers 1965-1980 GenX 1981-1996 Millennials 1997-2012 GenZ The start of GenX implies that the 4T started a few years later, 911 is a p...
Mikebert Turnings 295 28,311 07-21-2020, 04:46 PM
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(07-19-2020, 09:40 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: I also found Skowronek's book and reviews and analysis of it in academic areas. I have added a post to the Generations thread, as that thread had stopped just ...
Mikebert Turnings 295 28,311 07-20-2020, 05:04 PM
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(07-15-2020, 05:58 PM)and every 4.8 years over 1952-1980Marc Lamb Wrote: (06-30-2020, 02:59 PM)Mikebert Wrote: If Dems drop the ball then 2020 will just be another potential trigger that didn't tr...
Mikebert Turnings 295 28,311 07-19-2020, 01:34 PM
    Thread: I'm a sceptic that the 4th Turning started in 2008
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(06-29-2020, 10:14 AM)David Horn Wrote: Your points are all well taken, but this era is also different in both the tools to affect change and the tools to resist it.  There is a field know as percep...
Mikebert Turnings 295 28,311 06-30-2020, 02:59 PM
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Quote:A crisis addresses the most basic problems the people perceive needing to be fixed. Does it?  The problem most Republicans perceived in 1860 was preventing the spread of slavery, not freeing t...
Mikebert Turnings 295 28,311 06-28-2020, 04:02 PM
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David HornBob covered a lot of this already, but I'll still weigh in.   What really constitutes change?  I'll agree that the nuts-and-bolts reforms take an inordinate amount of time, but the change o...
Mikebert Turnings 295 28,311 06-27-2020, 02:41 PM