Michigan is considering move to ban guns inside state Capitol Building

[random3]

Michigan is considering move to ban guns inside state Capitol Building

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/m...083564001/

[Bob Butler 54]

If the racist folk abuse the ability to own and carry arms, what do you expect? You end up with no Constitution zones.

[Einzige]

(02-10-2021, 06:15 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: If the racist folk abuse the ability to own and carry arms, what do you expect?  You end up with no Constitution zones.

Someday storming those buildings will be an immediate necessity by the working class.

[random3]

What will supporters of the police state say when their beloved police come to arrest them for racist hate speech, to confiscate their guns, and to force them to board trains headed to the concentration camps?

[David Horn]

(02-10-2021, 06:15 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: If the racist folk abuse the ability to own and carry arms, what do you expect?  You end up with no Constitution zones.

Constitution zones? Are you arguing that civilian with guns have any place in government buildings?  Why?

[Eric the Green]

Michigan is considering move to ban guns inside state Capitol Building

Good!

[Bob Butler 54]

(02-10-2021, 11:35 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-10-2021, 06:15 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: If the racist folk abuse the ability to own and carry arms, what do you expect?  You end up with no Constitution zones.

Constitution zones? Are you arguing that civilian with guns have any place in government buildings?  Why?

Because they have a right to own and carry arms which cannot be infringed.  I know you have an opinion that your whims should over ride the Constitution, but so does Trump.  You should anticipate trouble when disregarding the law becomes a regular thing.

[Eric the Green]

(02-10-2021, 11:35 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-10-2021, 06:15 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: If the racist folk abuse the ability to own and carry arms, what do you expect?  You end up with no Constitution zones.

Constitution zones? Are you arguing that civilian with guns have any place in government buildings?  Why?

I remember times when I entered a government building such as a courthouse and had to go through a metal detector and there were signs saying no firearms allowed. You might take the constitutional issue up with such a building in your neck of the woods, Bob. I doubt MA is any more permissive than CA on this.

[random3]

When the US was a free country, Americans could decide what was best for their lives.

You could say that you plan to find a job today, enroll in college tomorrow, travel to Miami next week, buy a car next month, and start a business next year.

Now Americans must wait for decrees from the state like slaves.

Today you must get a mandatory vaccine, turn in your guns tomorrow,
private property will be nationalized next week, you must get a microchip implant next month, and you'll sent to the concentration camps next year.

No one is responsible for anything because everyone is just following orders.

The elites want everything, but they don't need you.

Wake up. Look what is going down.

[beechnut79]

(02-10-2021, 06:56 AM)Einzige Wrote:

(02-10-2021, 06:15 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: If the racist folk abuse the ability to own and carry arms, what do you expect?  You end up with no Constitution zones.

Someday storming those buildings will be an immediate necessity by the working class.

This era’s equivalent of the Bastille?  I thought that this dubious honor would go to Wall Street and environs which are largely responsible for the mess we are now in. Are the PTB still as much in denial as is the alcoholic who doesn’t feel that he or she has a problem?

[random3]

The elites are obviously trying to kill off the 99%.

The globalists are exaggerating a virus to get bailouts, close down small businesses, expand the police state, shut down gun stores, end protesting, end elections, end trials, end travel, force US residents to get microchip implants and vaccines, close churches, end protests, and make those in the USA dependent on welfare.

Are you just going to stay silent?

WTF?

[Einzige]

(02-10-2021, 09:58 PM)random3 Wrote: The elites are obviously trying to kill off the 99%.

The globalists are exaggerating a virus to get bailouts, close down small businesses, expand the police state, shut down gun stores, end protesting, end elections, end trials, end travel, force US residents to get microchip implants and vaccines, close churches, end protests, and make those in the USA dependent on welfare.

Are you just going to stay silent?

WTF?

Capitalist 
Capitalist 
Say it with me
C-A-P-I-T-A-L-I-S-T

[random3]

Jesus Christ.

Americans are so enslaved that they think government agents are holy gods, but since the elites and the government are the same now, asking for government protection from businesses is like asking a thief to watch your house when you go on vacation.

FAA regulates airlines, but airplanes still fail.

SEC regulates stockbrokers, but markets still crash.

FDA regulates drugs, but drugs are still dangerous.

EPA regulates the environment, but the EPA pollutes.

The USSR was a Socialist utopia, but the Soviet Union was polluted.

Maybe the real reason there are food stamps now is because food and banking corporations lobby for them.

Maybe the real reason tax filing is so difficult is that tax preparation corporations lobby for complicated tax forms.

Maybe the real reason there are laws against ridesharing is because taxi cab companies lobby for regulations against competition.

Maybe the real reason there are mandatory vaccine laws now is because pharmaceutical corporations lobby for them.

Maybe the real reason the US is a police state now is because private prison corporations lobby for it.

Maybe the real reason the US is a warmonger now is because defense corporations lobby for wars.

Maybe the real reason there are mandatory health and auto insurance laws now is because insurance companies lobby for them.

Maybe the real reason there are bailouts and subsidies is because corporations lobby for them.

Maybe the real reason there are government student loans and grants now is because colleges lobby for them.

The government takes away your freedom, but won’t protect you.

The way to deal with danger today is to do what worked in the past.

Government needs to be small and people need to take personal responsibility and embrace freedom.

Being dangerous is not in the best of companies.

The big difference between private business and tyranny is that you can boycott the free market, but the government forces you at gunpoint to do something or not do something.

Look not to the politicians; look to yourselves.

Liberty is always dangerous, but it is the safest thing we have.

What do we need government for anyway?

Everything the free market does is better than what government does.

Would you rather graduate from Harvard or the University of New Mexico? Would you rather own a Yugo or a BMW?

If a private association like the MPAA can regulate movies, why can’t the private market regulate other things?

When the TSA fingers your asshole and pulls your cock, is the real purpose to protect you or to make you feel like a degraded slave?

When people smoke now, people just call the police on them, but people in the past either took some personal responsibility and ignored smokers, moved away from smokers, or asked smokers to go somewhere else. The problem with a police state is everyone now is either or a slave or a criminal. Who pays the taxes to pay for tyranny?

If smoking is dangerous, can’t nonprofits raise funds to pay for educational campaigns that warn of the dangers of smoking instead of outlawing smoking?

Can’t people use the BBB to verify if a business is good or not instead of forcing companies to pay fees to get a government business license?

Can’t private charities funded by volunteer donations provide homeless shelters and soup kitchens instead of being at forced at the point of a gun by the government to pay taxes that fund welfare?

Can’t people use guns to protect themselves instead of relying on the Gestapo?

Can’t neighbourhoods hire private security firms to protect their homes?

Can’t the free market provide toll roads?

Can’t the free market provide private airports?

Can’t the free market provide private schools?

Can’t the free market provide disaster relief instead of FEMA?

Can’t the free market run delivery services instead of the USPS?

Can’t the free market run railroads instead of Amtrack?

Think.

[Einzige]

(02-10-2021, 09:52 PM)beechnut79 Wrote:

(02-10-2021, 06:56 AM)Einzige Wrote:

(02-10-2021, 06:15 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: If the racist folk abuse the ability to own and carry arms, what do you expect?  You end up with no Constitution zones.

Someday storming those buildings will be an immediate necessity by the working class.

This era’s equivalent of the Bastille?  I thought that this dubious honor would go to Wall Street and environs which are largely responsible for the mess we are now in. Are the PTB still as much in denial as is the alcoholic who doesn’t feel that he or she has a problem?

The whole thing needs seized.

[random3]

Americans say that you shouldn't fight tyranny because nothing matters, but what will you say when you get sent to the concentration camps?

The elites will not stop because why would they? All of the lines have been crossed and no one has said a word.

At no point will the globalists restore the Bill of Rights, end the wars, or reduce the debt.

Tyranny happens slowly and then you suddenly wake up one day to find the country locked down and the borders closed.

Americans are just animals now.

A 50 year old cop might be hesitant about torturing Americans, but a young cop would not. Churches are closed and there are no morals. Why would you stand up for freedom if you never knew what liberty means?

You might have been surprised the first time that you saw a checkpoint or a black helicopter, but now you're used to it.

The possibility of a police state has become a reality. Now the collapse of the USA has become a certainty.

The quiet warnings of tyranny have become large neon signs.

If you had eyes, you could see the police state.

If you had high-level friends in the government then you would know what is going to happen.

This is not a joke.

The ruling class wants you dead.

You don't have decades or years to prepare for the collapse.

Tomorrow will not be like today or yesterday.

Soon months will become weeks and then you will have days, and then you will only have hours and then just minutes.

History always repeats.

Soon the ATM machines and the Internet will be shut off.

Cash will be banned.

Do really think that the stock market won't collapse for 100 years?

Do you honestly believe that the USA will never have starvation, show trials, summary executions, and killing fields?

How long do you think that you have before you're given a mandatory vaccination and a microchip implant?

When will the Gestapo start the door-to-door gun confiscation?

Will you be surprised when property is nationalized, the US flag and national anthem are changed, and the USA is renamed?

Wake up.

Some of the first to die in the gulags will be the most hopeful.

[Bob Butler 54]

(02-10-2021, 07:04 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I remember times when I entered a government building such as a courthouse and had to go through a metal detector and there were signs saying no firearms allowed. You might take the constitutional issue up with such a building in your neck of the woods, Bob. I doubt MA is any more permissive than CA on this.

While the recent Supreme Court case reestablished an individual right exists, there are still a lot of laws and precedents based on a collective right. Thus, arms are not arms if they are crew served and certain classes of arms are not allowed if you are not a member of the Guard in spite of the clear reading that the right shall not be infringed.

To work a case up to the country wide precedent level you need to win at the lower levels first. Often you create a court case intended to so carry up. Sometimes a group of activist lawyers is waiting for the ideal case to come along. Sometime no one really wants the old precedents broken as the limits set in the Jim Crow interpretation give power to the state which is often considered convenient. Like, nobody wants a right to keep and bear nukes, so nobody creates a test case to establish it.

At any rate, I have no desire to go out a create test cases.

[random3]

Americans say that the reason the elites want to kill off the 99% is to save the environment, but maybe the globalists are just evil, insane, and greedy.

[Einzige]

(02-11-2021, 07:46 PM)random3 Wrote: Americans say that the reason the elites want to kill off the 99% is to save the environment, but maybe the globalists are just evil, insane, and greedy.

They don't want to kill them off, at least not in your lifetime. What they want is to further erode living standards, to make up for the declining rate of profit. Global warming can be simultaneously true and play into the hands of the big capitalists.

[random3]

Looks like Civil War 2.0 is starting.

Americans need to be on the same page.

Nothing will get better.

The USA is not a democracy.

All taxes and laws are illegitimate now.

You can't vote for change.

You can't leave because the borders are closed.

The US collapse is not a theory. You can see the collapse with your own eyes.

Americans have been silent for too long and will now pay the price.

The elites have flat-out said that there is a NWO and a Great Reset will be coming.

The oligarchs don't need you. They will soon have robots.

Americans are slaves now. Your life is over. You have nothing left to lose. You are already dead.

The economy has been destroyed.

Unless Americans are willing to die and be arrested, the tyranny will rapidly increase.

The globalists want the 99% divided.

You may not like illegal immigrants, negroes, homosexuals, Muslims, welfare, and abortion, but Americans must put aside their differences and unite to fight the ruling class.

The real enemies today are the billionaires, politicians, Gestapo, government workers, and soldiers.

Starting right now, you must be obsessed with liberty. Educate others about the dangers of war, tyranny, and debt.

Buy guns, ammo, gold, and food.

You can run, drop-out, go Galt, and go off the grid in the short-term, but eventually the ruling class will hunt you down.

Maybe the best result from a Civil War would be secession, but that would be better than what we have now.

Being killed fighting in Somalia would be a waste, but fighting for freedom in the US is worthwhile.

Freedom should be in the DNA of every American.

Life without liberty is nothing.

[pbrower2a]

(02-11-2021, 11:58 PM)Einzige Wrote:

(02-11-2021, 07:46 PM)random3 Wrote: Americans say that the reason the elites want to kill off the 99% is to save the environment, but maybe the globalists are just evil, insane, and greedy.

They don't want to kill them off, at least not in your lifetime. What they want is to further erode living standards, to make up for the declining rate of profit. Global warming can be simultaneously true and play into the hands of the big capitalists.

Global warming will make things even more precarious for the economic elites. Hungry people who have lost their livelihoods (this will be especially true among peasant farmers), their hope for survival, and overall dignity will have good cause to turn against the worst capitalists of the time, those that offer survival in return for slavery or serfdom. 

As I have suggested, the declining rate of profit that Marx saw in capitalism reflected the tendency from highly-inefficient artisan production to more efficient and increasingly mechanized production. He did not catch onto that. Such is not his fault; he has been dead for nearly 140 years, and faulting him for not seeing that would be like faulting Darwin for not recognizing genetics as the language of biological inheritance. 

Human nature is less changeable than you recognize. Appetites, curiosity, the sex drive, acquisitiveness, hedonistic tendencies, and the quest for self esteem and recognition are as true today as they were in classical times. Grimm's fairy tales date to antiquity to the extent that the same tales are told in all peoples who speak a language descended from Proto-Indo-European.... but different ones are told in countries that do not have such a linguistic heritage. They are told alike in Iceland and Bengal, but not among Finns, Hungarians, Arabs, Turks, Georgians, or Burmese. Classical Greek drama still relates to us, and the ethical teachings of one culture barely out of the hunter-gatherer stage of social and economic development have influenced much of the world. 

What does change is technology, language, the collection or loss of cultural achievements, and new forms of social organization.  Technology dictates what we can have. Language remains the structure of expression of thought. We are in a different world from what we lived in before Darwin, Freud -- and, yes, Marx. Indeed we are in a richer world in culture since the 'rediscovery' of J S Bach, which itself came in a time of great achievements of music and after the time of some composers (Haydn, Mozart, and Beethoven) who still secretly derived a few tricks from a composer that was basically lost. Can you imagine the overture to Die Meistersinger without the influence of the Baroque upon a composer who was in no way Baroque? As for Freud, his influence upon modern literature precludes credible fiction without its influence. Modern cinema is about as far from putting a camera in front of something and seeing what one gets as it could be. Putting a camera in front of something and seeing what one gets is the banal home movie; it requires control of acting at a refined  (if artificial) level not permissible on stage but necessary on a screen, careful scouting of locations or the creation of fantastical stages, coherent story-telling, and attention to angles of filming. 

This is not Karl Marx' world, but it is still the world of Shakespeare, Goya, Jefferson, Chopin, Chekhov, and Kurosawa. Marx at most discusses a special case of capitalism at its worst, one devoid of any human virtue -- even the caution to recognize that a pathological order is vulnerable to a proletarian revolution.

I look at it this way: if one already has class privilege, one has good cause to protect it. Two ways offer themselves: one is brutal repression, as is fascism with its torture chambers and concentration camps, and the other is ensuring that the proletariat has a stake in the system. The first allows more complete indulgence by the economic elites in a realm of mass suffering of the type that fits a Marxist stereotype of capitalism at its worst, and it usually results in suicide of that society as it ends up facing enemies whose victory is liberation (think of how the Italian people received the British and Americans in the latter two years of World War II) or collapsing in revolution as the system runs out of food and fuel as farm laborers become cannon fodder. The other ensures that people have a chance to own cars, ovens, sofas, books, and the like -- and gives people something to lose other than the chains that Marx says that they have as toilers. 

Yes, there are plenty of people enamored of the quick-buck ethos of the neoliberal era in which economic inequality, mass-market superstition and bigotry, politicians and executives acting without conscience because the tycoons themselves have no conscience, and economic insecurity prevail. Many of us recognize that that brings about the worst in human nature and debases everything. Such is ultimately unsafe as well as un-sage, and people are catching on. Maybe not enough people catch on as fast as I might like, but later than optimal is better than too late to avoid calamity.