10-07-2016, 01:54 PM
(10-07-2016, 11:56 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:(10-06-2016, 07:49 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:(10-06-2016, 01:02 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Warren Dew, to think that arming citizens is the way to protect the people from the state and its police is foolish nonsense.
As Bob Butler 54 pointed out, shooting back at Waco and Ruby Ridge caused the federal government to back off. There's every evidence that the cop killings in Manhattan and Dallas are causing local police to back off nationwide. When there are millions of citizens with guns, it only takes a couple using them for the government to get the message.
I agree that the government backed off after Waco and Ruby Ridge, as they should have. But that's why they backed off-- because they should have. The gun nuts had no chance against the government, as was the case. The government was trying to disarm the Waco nuts, by force, simply because they were armed. That is the wrong approach, as I have said. As long as there is a large contingent of Americans who fanatically want arms, they can't be outlawed by force without bloodbaths that are not worth the price. That does not mean that citizens armed with guns can stop or defeat the government. The government will win, as it did.
As long as the government backs off as it should, it doesn't really matter if the government wins the immediate battle. The big picture is still that the government is deterred from becoming more despotic.
Quote:The cops are backing off because of the "Ferguson Effect," according to every report we have all heard. That was not a few mad terrorists with guns shooting police, as happened in Dallas. That was the people rising up and demonstrating. The Dallas terrorist has inspired no-one.
The executions of officers Ramos and Liu in New York probably had more of an effect than the Dallas assassinations, but we'll just have to agree to disagree if you think police are more worried about riots than they are about being shot and killed.