What will happen if someone lives by 3T values in the 1T?

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(10-14-2016, 08:34 AM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(10-12-2016, 08:12 PM)disasterzone Wrote: I also wonder what would happen to a 4T type person who's angry that the revolution they wanted never happened and thinking everything's too wishy washy and mild. Someone who wants to push their 4T ideology on the max and believes that should have been the solution.

Can you give some examples of what you might be talking about?  Fourth turnings are basically pushed to the max already.  Pushing things further would involve stuff like executing all southern whites after the Civil War, or nuking Japanese and German cities after they had surrendered unconditionally; I'd think advocates of such things would just be ignored.

Indeed, the 4T typically ends because further humiliation and subjection of the defeated becomes unwise. Although the Allies saw fit to execute Holocaust perpetrators, Axis war criminals, and wartime traitors to Allied countries, they did not see fit to punish the low-ranking soldier who did not choose what army or navy he was to join. If one is a victor, someone like this has no role in the post-war world except as an example of what is to be rejected:

Quote:Kenji Doihara (土肥原 賢二 Doihara Kenji?, 8 August 1883 – 23 December 1948) was a general in the Imperial Japanese Army in World War II. He was instrumental in the Japanese invasion of Manchuria for which he earned fame taking the nickname 'Lawrence of Manchuria', a reference to the Lawrence of Arabia, although according to Jamie Bisher this flattering sobriquet was rather misapplied given that Colonel T.E. Lawrence fought to liberate, not to oppress a people.[1] Furthermore, according to the opinion of his military chief in Manchuria, Lieutenant-General Ishiwara Kanji, his heavy addiction to opium contributed to his unreliability as an army officer.[2]

As a leading intelligence officer he played a key role to the Japanese machinations leading to the occupation of large parts of China, the destabilization of the country and the disintegration of the traditional structure of the Chinese society in order to diminish reaction to the Japanese plans using highly unconventional methods. He became the mastermind of the Manchurian drug trade, and the real boss and sponsor behind every kind of gang and underworld activity in China (see Controversy section). After the end of World War II, he was prosecuted for war crimes in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East. He was found guilty, sentenced to death and was hanged in December 1948.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenji_Doihara

The Allied tribunals for the prosecution of major war criminals made sure that this sort of person got culpability for the crimes of a thug regime and its military failure, and that his type would never become a role model for Japanese leadership again. So send the soldiers back to the countryside for the rice harvest to prevent a famine...

The best way to win a war is to take away the will to fight of the enemy. Such is better done with humaneness (a difficult commodity to furnish during an apocalyptic war) than with genocidal brutality. In 1945 the Americans and British left the defeated peoples of the Axis who came under their dominion, however temporary, nothing to fight against. In 1939 the Nazis left the Poles every reason to maintain the war even as their soldiers were defeated. Poland was a dangerous place for a German soldier even where Germany fully annexed the territory. Germany after World War II gave the British or American soldier little cause to watch his back.

So let the defeated people keep their farms, businesses, and merchandise, and let the small businesses (if not plutocrats themselves war criminals) do what they do best. The soldiers are the foreigners, and the recently-defeated people do the work that they did before the war, and the people recently defeated can pay attention again to planting and reaping grain, tending and butchering livestock, doing industrial work to make the decencies of life, and doing construction work to repair and replace the old infrastructure damaged or destroyed in warfare.  Oh, yes -- remove the fearsome Kempeitai, Gestapo, or Mukhabarat from public life, if necessary with "extreme prejudice".