10-15-2016, 06:02 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-15-2016, 06:03 PM by Eric the Green.)
(10-15-2016, 05:30 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:(10-15-2016, 03:05 PM)disasterzone Wrote:By definition, the side that wins is the right side.(10-14-2016, 10:35 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:(10-14-2016, 03:30 PM)disasterzone Wrote:(10-14-2016, 08:34 AM)Warren Dew Wrote: Can you give some examples of what you might be talking about? Fourth turnings are basically pushed to the max already. Pushing things further would involve stuff like executing all southern whites after the Civil War, or nuking Japanese and German cities after they had surrendered unconditionally; I'd think advocates of such things would just be ignored.
An example is someone upset that their solution to the 4T wasn't taken because things went a totally different way than what they think should have happened. It could be someone who was the loser in a war in some cases and now on the demonized side, other cases it could be someone who wanted a solution that the people rejected, even if they weren't at war with the other ideology at the time. Like a person who wanted the South to succeed from the union and was still angry at Abraham Lincoln. Or maybe even someone who was angry that communism wasn't used as the solution to the great depression and wished they had that type of a revolution in the US.
They end up on McCarthy's list or the equivalent.
What happens if the wrong side wins? Like the Nazis win instead of America or if the South wins instead of the North?
What happens in the 1T?
If it happens to be more authoritarian than the U.S. ended up being, well, the Soviet Union in the 1950s is probably a good model. The "wrong side" ended up in gulags or purged.
Dixie, the Nazis, the British, etc.; they were the wrong side. And everyone knew it; and increasingly so as we get closer to today. At least in The West. The Soviets could be seen at least as idealistic, compared to the Nazi invaders, although both were horrific. Now, the red states are the wrong side, and Islamic jihadists are the wrong side. They will be defeated too. 4Ts always take us forward; not backward as today's Republicans whether Trumpsters or Ryanists still want to do.
In the 1T, the wrong side has been repressed, but the right side is repressed too. The consensus is, yes, we have turned back the reactionary enemy, but we don't want any more change now, so--- radicals and non-conformists: just shut up and stay in the closet and don't disturb us. At least until later in the 1T, when they start to peek through the cracks, and then the new non-conformists with some new and different ideals come out big-time in the 2T.