Gender pay gap

[Kinser79]

(05-20-2016, 12:19 PM)Bronco80 Wrote: I originally titled this thread "Equal Pay Among The Sexes" (and still wish that that title stuck) since there's a distinction in that sex is a biological construct while gender is a social construct (and quite frankly, it's a social construct I'd like to see disposed of).

Actually not only is sex a biological construct, but gender is a biological construct as well.  The only social constructs around gender have to do with the demonstration of that gender.  That is to say that different cultures have different ideas as to what is an is not masculine and feminine but over all they have similar ideas as to what it means to be a man or what it means to be a woman.

In the West there is already equality with the sexes, and where there is inequality it generally favors women and not men.

Quote:With regards to childbirth, there will be (or at least should be) an extra period of recovery that women will solely need on a biological basis, that's undeniable.  But paternity leave is what I would see as the key to "tempering" the biological gap.

Paternity leave will not temper a "biological gap" because no law of man is going to change human biology.  I don't look for natural selection to close that gap either.  Rather having paternity leave will help a great deal with men bonding to their children which is vital for healthy development.  Boys in particular seem to require a male role model of some sort be it a father, uncle or older cousin for healthy development.

Quote:Anti-discrimination law is very important to have on the books, but it's also very difficult to enforce, as people are adept to finding clever excuses as to demonstrate how their behavior wasn't discriminatory.

Not really.  One either pays men and women for the same job or they do not.  That said, they are not required to pay a woman overtime pay when she chooses to not work overtime.  That being said there is some reforms needed in the laws regarding wages as overtime hours worked fall disproportionately on salaried employees.

Quote:With Medicaid, we've still got a gap of that in several states across to the nation thanks to the SCOTUS justices on the left who had to throw a bone to John Roberts to prevent him from junking all of the ACA.

The whole thing should have been junked, it is nothing but a massive give away to the insurance companies.  I was rather upset when it wasn't struck down.  If the goal is universal health care then the easiest way is to take an existing program (Medicare) reduce the eligibility age to 0 years old and abolish Medicade, SCHIP and the other host of governmental programs.

Quote:  Even if money were not an issue, there's still an issue of time, of which the poor typically have less of, to go through all the steps needed.

If a woman is receiving Medicade she has a primary care physician who can prescribe her birth control on her regularly scheduled appointments.  It takes less than 5 minutes to write the script, and an other 10 to fill it at the local pharmacy.  I'm sorry but this is an excuse and a bad one at that.

Quote:  Finally, there's also knowledge and social structures that need to be altered; things like making sure that girls are made aware of all their reproductive options, assuring they're not slutshamed, and so on.  While we're at it, teach boys to respect female sexuality as well.

Slut Shaming isn't a thing that men do, rather women do that to other women and I don't see how that can be legislated against, or why anyone would even want to.  As for the rest that can be addressed through comprehensive sex education, and while we're at it lets teach girls to respect male sexuality.  

Quote:Sure, there will be some jobs that require brute strength that women can't biologically compete with.  I didn't bother to mention that because I thought that was quite obvious.

So then you aren't in favor of equality when biology dictates itself that the sexes are in fact not equal.  Indeed for some jobs I think the lowering of physical standards to employ women is a public disservice.  Given the choice of being carried out of a burning building by a man or dragged out by a woman I'd prefer to be carried--less chance of me getting injured that way.

Quote:But when it comes to mental aspects of jobs there's no basis to say that either men or women are better or worse at it.

This isn't always true.  Men tend to be better at spacial conception while women tend to be better at verbal cognition.  Part of this has to do with the whole male brain and female brain dilemma that the Regressive Left is in.  Milo pointed it out in regard to Gender Dysphoria Disorder, but it apparently explains other things as well--principally why gender is a biological construct.





It should be noted that this experiment has been replicated several times with several different species of primates and the results are much the same.

Quote:And yes, there are sexist biases that disadvantage or shame men with regards to certain jobs as well.  Those social constructs should be fought as well.

Yes, those social constructs should be fought.  I think having more male teachers, particularly in the Elementary age range would go a long way to bringing more order to the classrooms and playgrounds.  It may also be particularly beneficial to boys who have the deck stacked against them anyway as current academic models are geared more toward girls than boys.  The sit and lecture format, modular rather than liner testing, focus on coursework rather than tests all favor girls.  And that doesn't even to begin to get into the whole ADHD scam, which is driven by boys behaving like boys do.

Quote:  Nor does the profile of the job matter to me either: if women want to be trash collectors and societal factors aren't allowing them to do so on an equal benefits, then that needs to be addressed.

I would agree so long as we are talking about societal factors such as it being considered unfeminine to be a trash collector.  If a woman is physically incapable of doing the job, well she's incapable of doing it and therefore has no business wasting everyone's time with attempting to do it.