11-14-2016, 09:49 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-14-2016, 09:57 PM by Eric the Green.)
(11-14-2016, 09:13 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:(11-14-2016, 07:11 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(11-14-2016, 06:41 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:(11-14-2016, 05:42 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(11-14-2016, 05:30 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: It's still a bit early but I foresee a faction known as "Not-Alt-Right" that will also become well armed. Classic examples on here would be me and Odin. There must be others out there. Sure, at present, we don't equal the amorphous mass of "Alt-Right" + "White Power" + megalomaniac cops / government agents who have Alt-Right proclivities + off-track "Sage Brush Rebellion" adherents. But still, there exists a silent plurality who are not afraid of guns, who are opposed to this cabal who have seized power. We know how to shoot. Some of us are even decent builders and gun smiths. History never repeats but it rhymes.
How are you going to fight back with guns? Realistically, how will being armed help you fight the cabal?
You mentioned that CA might not be able to defend against WMD. How would you?
How have resistance movements throughout history fought against totalitarians?
Regarding WMD, you might have misread what I've written. We (CA, or more broadly, Blue States) have WMD. So too do Red States. WMD and the means to produce them are in multiple locations around the US.
My question remains. If the totalitarian uses WMD on you, what good are your guns?
Resistance movements win when they are organized (usually into a government; itself often dictatorial) and get foreign help. I've said that before too. Violent revolution by militant, armed individuals does not succeed.
How are you going to fight back with guns? Realistically, how will being armed help you fight the cabal?
As I've been saying though, I'm not optimistic anymore. I doubt that political organizing can win either. The people are stuck in Reaganism, and it may never end. No matter how many times it fails, the people will vote for it again and again. The pendulum swings, but the net result is backward.
I am not sanguine about the future of the United States of America. I think something else is going to replace it, perhaps by the end of this 4T. So what's the use of getting upset if other countries threaten us? It makes no difference now. As you say, Russian agents rule us already.
Let's say Texas attacks or threatens to attack The West Coast with WMD. The West Coast has its own WMD for countervalue and / or counterforce strikes. It's no different than a great power rivalry where both great powers have WMD. I think you've read Ecotopia, correct?
In any case, what I'm pointing out is, firstly, the Left need to get over the fear many of them have about guns and being armed, and secondly, the Left needs to get real about making some allies on the Right. That simple process would do a lot to deter civil war.
The other thing the Left needs to do, like the mythical Ecotopians did, is become proficient in military and defense matters. Stop reflexively reacting against the so called "military industrial complex."
Defend California!
Maybe, but you have not shown me that getting armed will prevent Trump from blowing you away with machine guns, tanks, drones and WMD.
We may need a MIC, but individuals bearing arms? Not unless part of a "militia being necessary to the defense of a free state." An alternative state.