Trump, Bannon and the Coming Crisis

[Eric the Green]

(11-29-2016, 11:21 AM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(11-29-2016, 10:28 AM)anandrajan Wrote: I'm new to this forum and I have to say that it's amazing to see actual exchanges between people with very different political views. This is a real strength especially when combined with a clear predictive vision (4T Crisis leading to next 1T High). In the brick and mortar world, I'm in an extremely liberal enclave and can't say anything anti-Hillary (or pro-Trump for that matter) which is pretty unhealthy IMHO.
Have y'all had discussions about how very different political views will have to be set aside in service of helping the US negotiate the Crisis (assuming it happens on schedule as is looking more and more likely)?

Not sure I'd characterize these as actual exchanges.  Eric occasionally acknowledges facts, but that's because he can always find a way to use them in an argument against the right, even if it's the exactly the opposite of the argument he most recently made.  Or maybe Eric is arguing that Trump is a warmonger and it was someone else on the left that argued he is too much of a peacenik; I've lost track.

You mean my argument against Trump, which in some cases may be a bit different than an argument against "the right." There are some (perhaps slight, but perhaps significant) differences among the right these days.

I wouldn't agree Trump is a peacenik, although he prattles on about non-intervention and non-nation building. Then he turns around and advocates bombing ISIS into oblivion including torture and killing civilians, and wants to build up the military. The problem with Trump, as opposed to the "right" per se, is that Trump is a loose cannon. He's kinda like a box of chocolates. You never know just what your gonna git. The problem with the right, in this case, includes that they are willing to "come home" to the Republican Party and vote for a liar who is unfit for the job, and against a woman who was superbly qualified and relatively honest. In this case, clearly it demonstrates the totally-authoritarian nature of the right, despite their deceptive free-enterprise slogans. Just go with what the Party says; it doesn't matter which incompetent they nominate, as long as he's a Republican who knocks the right people with the right dog whistles, and keeps the less priviledged from having more power.

Quote:We've had discussions about whether - not how - very different political views will have to be set aside during the crisis.  I believe Eric and I are of the opinion that what's actually going to happen is that red boomers and blue boomers will continue to fight things out, which is why we are happy to argue.  Others argue that views will need to adjust and consolidate, but somehow those who so argue always think the views need to consolidate on their views, and never that they are the ones that will need to adjust.

I tend to agree. 4Ts are not times when society comes together, but possibly one side gets it together enough to defeat the other side and set the consensus for the next saeculum. It had better be the progressive side, otherwise (barring foreign conquest like the allies achieved in 1945) we begin a rapid decline for the first time ever for the English-speaking world in a 4T. Which means there will have to be a dramatic turnaround in political power in the 2020s. I do still predict it to happen, based on MY reading of the cosmic indicators.