12-04-2016, 07:26 PM
(12-02-2016, 10:19 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:Again, this equating abortion with murder -- most abortions occur in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. Do you see terminating a pregnancy that early to be equivalent to murder? At what point does the embryo/fetus enjoy the status of "personhood" that would make killing it murder?(11-26-2016, 12:20 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:(11-26-2016, 12:00 PM)Odin Wrote: Pro-Choice activists need to quit insinuating that any man who is against abortion must be a misogynist who hates women and that any woman who is against abortion must be "brainwashed by patriarchal religion".
Also, I have run into extremists who think I'm a horrible person because I think abortion is a necessary evil rather than a "liberating social good". And these people wonder why they are then accused of being a part of a "culture of death" by folks out here in Middle America...
Eminently reasonable. Abortion is a desperate choice -- or at times a medical necessity. I can't imagine anyone seeing abortion as a 'liberating social good' anymore than I can see amputation of a gangrenous limb, a hysterectomy to remove a cancer-filled uterus, or castration of a man with prostate cancer as anything other than a grim necessity.
Some people simply go too far.
Castration is not a treatment for prostate cancer, rather removal of the prostate is--the result is of course impotence. Most hysterectomies are ill advised.
As for abortion I'd liken it less to amputation of a gangrenous limb but more the murder that it actually is. Unfortunately were it illegal they would still be performed anyway, and under far more dangerous circumstances. Except for a small minority of persons, they are the last resort, and as such the solution to limiting this necessary evil lays not in prohibition but rather in economic improvements, promotion of the family--particularly the traditional heterosexual family (nuclear or extended, in fact extended is even better than nuclear), and liberalization of adoption protocols.
As for why rural people do not vote for democrats the answer is clear. The Democratic party doesn't give a shit about them. HRC made that abundantly clear when she essentially called these people a basket of deplorable. The DNC and the Democratic Elites including the ethnic ones live in their own urban coastal bubble.
As a dark skinned homosexual black man I've received more bigotry and racism at the hands of so-called liberals than from any of the deplorable red necks I've been known to run with.