(01-09-2017, 09:26 PM)Mikebert Wrote: I just saw this. Here you are assuming your premises. You are assuming the 4T will end soon. Thus, if Trump manages to win a second term, a feat achieved by 78% of the presidents in my lifetime, 2016 will be a regeneracy because Trump will have been the last president of the 4T. Now think about what that means. It says a 4T is such a nothing-burger that whichever party is in control when the generations involved in a 4T are getting too old and so the turning must end defines the structure of the turning.
Please don't put words in my mouth, Mike, I am more than capable of speaking on my own. I make no such assumption, I think that something is going to happen, something that will be obviously of equivalent magnitude to the WWII/Franco-Prussian War-US Civil War/Napoleonic wars, and I think that Trump will be at the helm during it, and that it might well go on long enough to put Pence in there for a term at the end. If nothing happens, I will, rather than assume that turnings end because the generations end, likely discard T4T all together.
The only caveat I might add is that if dramatic, turning point style events happen in places that I think are also in 4T (East Asia, South Asia, Europe), but we bumble through, that there is a possible parallel with Britain in the 1850s and 1860s. That being said, since in that case the T4T theory will no longer affect me personally, I probably wouldn't consider it that much, except possibly in passing.
The reason why I am so seemingly complacent about it NOW, is that thus far, it's rolling out according to the plan laid out in S & H. If the Republicans get pushed out of Congress in 2018, and Trump two years later, and they get replaced by largely forgettable Democrats, all still operating within the confines of the 6th party system, then I will be more inclined to hold your present views.
I hope you will excuse me for saying this, but this REALLY looks an awful lot like a very geeky version of the sort of sulking I've seen from other liberals around the Internet who are upset at how the election turned out.