01-24-2017, 12:04 AM
Quote:thanx for the info. l was thinking more along the lines of staying out of WW2, & after reading the above list if names they definitely wouldn't of aligned with Hitler
No problem. Always happy to be of service.
Yeah, it was pretty bipartisan. Roosevelt had been trying to back the US into WWII for a while, but he didn't have a real opportunity until Pearl Harbor. American public opinion was strongly pro-neutrality up until that point.
Quote:no but he was into eugenics. That's what he admired Hitler for. Until he saw the death camps, that is
Eugenics was pretty popular among the Progressive set up until WWII. And he was in Europe before the war to avoid the press, and largely visited the German military at the request of the American one. The death camps came in the '40s, and weren't really known about except as horrible rumors until after the war.
Quote:in addition to Silver Legion there was also the Bundt. lnfact one of the largest Nazi rallies ever was held in.... Madison Square Gardens. By the Bundt.
*cough* Bund *cough*
Bundt is a type of cake, named after the brand name of the pan it was cooked in. "Bund" is basically the German word for "band", as in an association, a league, or a waistband, for that matter.
The German American Bund never had more than a few thousand members, was restricted to people of German descent, and their big rally in Madison Square Garden was both their high-water mark and their doom. The intemperate rhetoric, the violence, and the resulting attention from the government wiped it out.
No, the only real possibility for a fascist US at that time was if the second wave of the KKK hadn't started to fall apart in the mid-1920s, particularly after D.C. Stephenson was convicted for kidnapping, raping, and torturing a white woman in 1925, AND if the Great Depression hadn't been addressed.
Quote:-- agreed. l think it cheapens the Nazis & what they did. Their horror show should not be made mundane.
Yup, we are in complete agreement. As George Orwell pointed out decades ago, "fascist" has long since devolved into a snarl word, devoid of real semantic content, other than that the label is applied to people or things the user doesn't like.
Quote:As for the fascism, we already live in a fascist state. But then l go by the Mussolini school of fascism, which is govt of the corporations, by the corporations, & for the corporations (ok, l'm paraphrasing him but that's basically what he said) Under this definition, fascism has nothing to do with killing Jews or beating up gypsies & gays. That would be racism & bigotry
*Sigh*
You are engaging in equivocation. That is not what the word "corporatism" means, particularly not at the time that it was used. It meant the organization of society into constituent groups (or bodies, which in latin is the root of the term) with common interests (farmers, businesses, labor unions) under the overall coordination of the state, as opposed to as a collection individuals. Neither Mussolini nor Hitler took orders from big business leaders, just the reverse. Hjalmar Schacht probably would have been much happier if the Nazis had been taking orders from big business leaders rather than the other way round. Of course, they weren't, which is why he was ousted.
Quote:me neither. The Dems really screwed the pooch this last time round
It really depends on what the Republicans do, how that interacts with whatever external events will take place over the next 4 years, and how long it takes for the Democrats to coalesce around a new, politically effective agenda that can win them elections at more than just the national level.
We'll see how that all pans out.