Has the regeneracy arrived?

[Marypoza]

(01-24-2017, 12:04 AM)SomeGuy Wrote: me--no but (Lindbergh) was into eugenics. That's what he admired Hitler for. Until he saw the death camps, that is

SomeGuy Wrote:Eugenics was pretty popular among the Progressive set up until WWII.  And he was in Europe before the war to avoid the press, and largely visited the German military at the request of the American one.  The death camps came in the '40s, and weren't really known about except as horrible rumors until after the war.

-- l didn't mean to imply that he saw them before the end of the war. The Lindberghs moved Stateside as WW2 became immenent. When he returned to Germany after the war he saw the camps. I read up on Lindbergh since l posted last. He was chummy with Goering, not Hitler, which makes sense since Goering was head of the Luftwaffe. Goering presented him with some kind of German medal. He got into eugenics bcuz his sister-in-law died young from a heart condition. He even invented some kind of heart pump, a runner up to the artificial heart. His interest in eugenics was humanitarian, whereas Hitler was just plain sick

Quote:me--in addition to Silver Legion there was also the Bundt. lnfact one of the largest Nazi rallies ever was held in.... Madison Square Gardens. By the Bundt.

SomeGuy Wrote:*cough* Bund *cough*
Bundt is a type of cake, named after the brand name of the pan it was cooked in.  "Bund" is basically the German word for "band", as in an association, a league, or a waistband, for that matter.
The German American Bund never had more than a few thousand members, was restricted to people of German descent, and their big rally in Madison Square Garden was both their high-water mark and their doom.  The intemperate rhetoric, the violence, and the resulting attention from the government wiped it out.

-- yeah l know what a bundt cake is. My knowledge of the Bund & the Silver Legion comes from a cable documentary (some ppl like sitcoms, l like to watch documentaries) & the narrator pronounced it like a bundt cake. The visual of the rally looked like a Nuremberg rally @ 1st until the camera panned out & you could see it was @ Madison Sq Gardens.  But l don't think the rally was their doom. Their doom was helping some spies that Hitler sent over. Spies that were seen washing up on a Long lsland beach by either a cop or a Coast Guard officer ( can't remember which) & later on 2 of them turned double agents, turning in the whole ring

SomeGuy Wrote:No, the only real possibility for a fascist US at that time was if the second wave of the KKK hadn't started to fall apart in the mid-1920s, particularly after D.C. Stephenson was convicted for kidnapping, raping, and torturing a white woman in 1925, AND if the Great Depression hadn't been addressed.
 

-- what about Grampa Bush's attempt to overthrow Roosevelt, which was thwarted by Gen Smedley Butler? Grampa was big  on Hitler, even after WW2 started. In 1942 he was busted for "trading with the enemy". But instead of going to jail he went to the Senate. Our Govt was corrupt even back then :@

Quote:-- agreed. l think it cheapens the Nazis & what they did. Their horror show should not be made mundane.

Yup, we are in complete agreement.  As George Orwell pointed out decades ago, "fascist" has long since devolved into a snarl word, devoid of real semantic content, other than that the label is applied to people or things the user doesn't like.

Quote:me--As for the fascism, we already live in a fascist state. But then l go by the Mussolini school of fascism, which is govt of the corporations, by the corporations, & for the corporations (ok, l'm paraphrasing him but that's basically what he said) Under this definition, fascism has nothing to do with killing Jews or beating up gypsies & gays. That would be racism & bigotry

SomeGuy Wrote:*Sigh*
You are engaging in equivocation.  That is not what the word "corporatism" means, particularly not at the time that it was used.  It meant the organization of society into constituent groups (or bodies, which in latin is the root of the term) with common interests (farmers, businesses, labor unions) under the overall coordination of the state, as opposed to as a collection individuals.  Neither Mussolini nor Hitler took orders from big business leaders, just the reverse.  Hjalmar Schacht probably would have been much happier if the Nazis had been taking orders from big business leaders rather than the other way round.  Of course, they weren't, which is why he was ousted.

-- l never said Mussolini practiced his own definition of fascism (that l paraphrased) but we sure do here in the good ol USofA. Our pols are owned by corporations. Then there's Citizens United. All the stuff Bernie is fighting. But fwiw, there is some antisemitism as well, except it's against Muslims (who are also semites) not Jews

Quote:me-- The Dems really screwed the pooch this last time round

SomeGuy Wrote:It really depends on what the Republicans do, how that interacts with whatever external events will take place over the next 4 years, and how long it takes for the Democrats to coalesce around a new, politically effective agenda that can win them elections at more than just the national level.
We'll see how that all pans out.

-- yup