01-25-2017, 04:30 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-25-2017, 04:56 PM by Classic-Xer.)
(01-25-2017, 01:10 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: Besides voters who fell for the con man, there is another type of voter.You view him as a conman and a crook. Correct me if I'm wrong. I view you him as a pretty good businessman and a decent person. What/who scared you the most about Trump? You made a radical switch of political alliance. What caused you to make radical switch? What did you view as being the important thing that you viewed at stake? For me, the most important thing at stake was keeping the supreme court in balance. Regardless of what the liberals believe of themselves, we are a center-right country which this country proved and the court should what the country is and not what the liberals would like to turn it into with the use of judicial force.
The type I speak of is not a sucker at all. But this type is cynical and very opportunist.
To be fair, these types exist on both the Right and the Left.
What we saw in 2016 was this type of cynical voter, if they happened to be from a camp who feature:
- Resentment of feminism (e.g. belief that some feminists are feminazis - and to be fair, there is a grain of truth to this)
- Resentment of focus on the rights of some very minuscule and marginal classes - transgender, etc.
- Concern, some of it rightful, about certain aspects of Obama's policies - such as over focus on "big event" gun incidents in spite of overall stats about gun usage, aforementioned trans rights, gay marriage, TPP, Dream Act, certain statements about illegal aliens (actual deportations notwithstanding), etc.
- Rightful anger about how globalization left behind vast swaths of middle class people especially away from the coasts
- Anger about how much we spend in other countries be it aid or war fighting, meanwhile our infrastructure is heading the wrong direction
- Plus numerous other points.
That cynical voter heard among Trump's "big splash" style of bombast, kernels of policy which flew in the face of the Obama agenda and the presumed Clinton one, in a highly politically incorrect manner, similar to hard hats drinking at a dive bar and talking smack. That cynical voter determined that Trump would be like an inoculation to "the system" which might result in better health. That cynical voter has not recovered from The Great Recession, or, if not among the actual affected, has some form of polity that hates liberalism and especially neoliberalism. That voter said, what the heck, give it a try.
So it was not a case of being suckered. It was something a lot darker than that. A type of gambling. Gambling with our nation.
You've seen my mentality and you recognize my mentality. Would it be correct for me to say that I have street smart fighter's mentality that you've seen before, fought with before and had grown to recognize and respect because its similar to one that you had at a younger age? Do you think that you and I could openly speak if we were left alone and not interfered with or rudely disrupted by other posters? You seem genuine and sincere. I worked with a bunch of white guys your age in a warehouse when I was a senior high in high school. I was the youngest employee who worked there at the time. A rugged group of white working class kids from St. Paul. A take a gulp at first sight moment, when first viewed through the eyes of an eighteen year suburban teenager. I'm not baiting you. I respect your willingness to present an honest and open opinion. I'm tired of Eric , PB and other snowflakes always getting in the way/disrupting/inserting falsehoods which reduces the chances of open/honest dialogue.