02-02-2017, 07:31 PM
(02-02-2017, 05:51 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:How much of America do you seem care about America as a whole? How much of America as a whole truly matters to you? Have you've been paying attention to our philosophical/ideological battles of sorts and the more sovereign issues that related to those values? Have you been taking my advice and taking into account the presence of American voters here and American voters elsewhere or have you just been focused on recruiting/keeping blue voters. Would/can you even call yourself a hard core American without concerns in so-called blue America these days?(02-02-2017, 05:43 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(02-02-2017, 04:12 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:As an American (a red as most blues like you here see me), I view you as a so-called liberal/blue/progressive and that's it. You don't mean anything more to me than those words. I only have an interest in one of them that you use. The one that I've already challenged and removed from you and those like yourself a long time. Do we (I say we because it's no longer just little old me vs a big blue regime like before) really need to do it all over again to prove a point?(02-02-2017, 04:04 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(02-02-2017, 03:18 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Oh, yes.I view the Democrats that way because that's how they come across to me and their politics come across to me. In my case, the Democrats have earned whatever vile stereotype that I've placed on them. You haven't figured this out yet. You haven't figured that you've been directly engaging with a hard core American for years. An American who has been judging you, your opinions, your actions or lack of actions, your social tolerances and the fundamental strengths of your values and beliefs as a so-called blue voter. An American who doesn't doesn't give a crap about your race, your gender, your ethnic heritage or whatever the Democrats view as being most valuable to themselves vote wise/blue community wise at election time.
Oh, yes. Recently demonstrated.
The ability, yes. Some of them even do it. For example, Berkeley apparently was the origin place of a free speech movement. Some of the Berkeley people were particularly upset at the recent incident, denouncing the flame throwers quite clearly and vehemently. Not that everyone noticed. The flame throwers got more attention.
Do you have any evidence that the Black Crew is federally funded? At least, this seems to be what you are suggesting. If so, I would expect Trump to issue an executive order telling them to stop.
I don't see Americans viewing the Democrats that way. I see certain red leaning extreme partisans obsessed with vile stereotypes viewing Democrats that way. I've been trying to get extreme partisans to drop their vile stereotypes, to stop casually confusing their vile stereotypes with Truth, with little to no effect. Extreme partisans are extreme partisans, and will wallow in their own hate and lies. Not much I can do about such irrational hatred.
And, yes, that sort of thing can lead to violence.
I as a liberal and sometime Democratic voter (and I suspect most like me) would not agree that your ideas and values are "American," and ours are not. What for you is a "hard core American?" Do such Americans have a certain racial or religious heritage? What do they believe to be American, as opposed to what "blue voters" believe to be American?
You say "red voters" like yourself are "core Americans" and "blue voters" like me are not, but you haven't provided any meaning to the words "core American" that you use to define yourself and some other "red voters." What are we to believe about what you mean?
