02-04-2017, 03:20 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-04-2017, 03:34 PM by Eric the Green.)
(02-04-2017, 02:42 PM)SomeGuy Wrote:(02-04-2017, 02:37 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: The first post is total nonsense from top to bottom. Trump is never going to enact single-payer or raise the minimum wage. What delusional crap! The Trump admin is a fascist corporate takeover. Any Trumpian rhetoric to the contrary was clever during the campaign, but it was all a ruse to get white working class support. The Trump admin has not the slightest intention of doing anything for workers.
The Democrats cannot win without the 60s coalition of people or color, women and gays. Republican strategy is to divide and conquer, so that whites blame their fellow victims of corporate malfeasance and power-grabbing, instead of the real cause. It worked in 2016, by 77,700 votes only. It can be reversed, unless Trump is allowed to rig the system so thoroughly that democracy is effectively killed.
Only a continuing movement like we saw in the women's marches and at airports against visa and refugee bans will revitalize the Democrats. It must be broad-based and emphasize working class issues, no doubt. But they can't ditch their allies in the 60s movements. They must debunk the divide and conquer strategy instead. The 99% are all in the same boat; we need to unite and change the captains. Are we the people ruling this country, or only the wealthy and powerful who want to take away health insurance and keep wages low? It's your choice, folks.
Learn how to read, Eric. It's a really useful skill, not least when participating on an online forum.
From the original post:
Quote:What should the Democratic party be focusing on? An American liberal party in a crisis or a high should be paying attention to things that affect the average worker in this country. Replacing the mess of a way we manage and pay for health care in this country with some sort of tax supported single payer system, so that businesses and individuals are free from having to pay for or worry about medical expenses. The $15 per hour minimum wage is an excellent idea, although it needs to be sold as something which will raise the wages of a wide range of working Americans. If someone making $8 per hour is raised to $15, then someone making $15 today ought to be making $25 per hour. The general idea is that the U.S. is a wealthy, prosperous country, and this wealth need not all be concentrated to the top, leaving a few billionaires and millions of working people unable to afford a car or a doctor.
You have a point, but the direction of the argument is that the Democrats have ceded the worker and economic issues to Trump. That's not so, and won't be so.
And the post #1 here by Mickey claims that the problem is that Democrats, people of color and women say that "Whites must be disempowered to make way for minority races, men to make way for women, christianity to make way for other religions and beliefs."
NO, it's the Republicans who are saying the opposite: other races must be disempowered to make way for whites, women must be put back in their place, Christianity must be the dominant religion, and discrimination against those who don't follow fundamentalist preaching should be allowed.
Republican strategy is divide and conquer. Meanwhile Hillary and the Democrats were saying we must fight for all our rights, and specifically mentioned workers' rights; and that our society must work for all the people, not just those at the top. She talked about making America whole again by revitalizing hollowed-out areas like the Rust Belt and Appalachia. I heard those things many times from her. I posted her saying those things here, and you guys ignored her. If she wasn't as good a communicator as the TV star and celebrity mogul, that's too bad; and if she is also rightfully interested in new energy sources we need, that may be inconvenient for the coal barons; but it's simply not true that Democrats are not interested in white workers, or that Republicans are interested in them. Quite the opposite remains the case, and people were deceived into believing otherwise, quite often by appealing to their fears and prejudices.