The failure of the Democratic Party

[Eric the Green]

(02-04-2017, 03:41 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: You said that he was claiming that Trump would do some things that he was suggesting the Democrats do.   There's really not a lot of wriggle room there, Eric.  You're just wrong.

I may be reading this into Mickey's post, but the thrust of arguments like this is that Trump moved in on policy territory abandoned by the Democrats. Just as you claim below. The fact is that the Democrats did not abandon the working class, and Trump is offering them false promises.

Quote:Trump shifted some states over from the Democratic column that hadn't gone the other way in 30 years or so.  He did this in part by seizing some issues that had once been core Democratic ones (trade, manufacturing, etc.).  He suggested that the Democrats follow suit by shifting their emphasis on certain issues, if they wish to remain competitive.

He's right that the Democrats must emphasize workers and economic issues, but NO shift is necessary. Only a better candidate on the stump than Trump. They should pay attention to my scoring system. I know, fat chance.

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Quote:And the post #1 here by Mickey claims that the problem is that Democrats, people of color and women say that "Whites must be disempowered to make way for minority races, men to make way for women, christianity to make way for other religions and beliefs."

See Rags for a whole slew of video evidence for this conclusion.

I doubt they are Democratic politicians saying such things.

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Quote:NO, it's the Republicans who are saying the opposite: other races must be disempowered to make way for whites, women must be put back in their place, Christianity must be the dominant religion, and discrimination against those who don't follow fundamentalist preaching should be allowed.

Do you actually have a citation of a Republican recently saying any of those things, or is this just hate speech on your part?

That's what they are doing and saying. Do you remember the things Trump said, or not? Or Sessions? The attack on voting rights? Attacks on Planned Parenthood funding? Bans on other nations and religions entering the USA? And complaints like this here that somehow these issues are not important anymore?

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Quote:Republican strategy is divide and conquer. Meanwhile Hillary and the Democrats were saying we must fight for all our rights, and specifically mentioned workers' rights; and that our society must work for all the people, not just those at the top. She talked about making America whole again by revitalizing hollowed-out areas like the Rust Belt and Appalachia. I heard those things many times from her. If she wasn't as good a communicator as the TV star and celebrity mogul, that's too bad; and if she is also rightfully interested in new energy sources we need, that may be inconvenient for the coal barons; but it's simply not true that Democrats are not interested in white workers, or that Republicans are interested in them. Quite the opposite remains the case, and people were deceived into believing otherwise, quite often by appealing to their fears and prejudices.

She also said that it was important to have a public position, and a private one.  In any event, Hillary is finished, and he was making a suggestion for the Democrats going forward.

In spite of your claims to the contrary. 

His suggestion is incorrect. Democrats abandon people of color and women at their severe peril. Hillary may be finished, but she can't be blamed for any erroneous Democratic Party policy strategy, assuming there was one. It can be said she was a weak candidate for various reasons.