02-04-2017, 08:17 PM
(02-04-2017, 06:51 PM)SomeGuy Wrote:Quote:It still is a Democratic one. Democrats opposed NAFTA and still opposed TPP in far greater numbers than Republicans in congress, and Hillary voted against trade deals too and opposed TPP.
So what you're saying is that he has taken a Democratic issue and made it his own?
Remind me which administration negotiated and pushed for TPP, again? Who referred to it as the "gold standard" of trade deals?
So you're saying that it's not a ruse that The Donald can take one Democratic issue, trade, and deceive the people that fixing it will be enough, while he screws them in every other way, and that's taking over the Democratic platform? I don't think so.
And who opposed TPP during the election despite her earlier comments? And that doesn't count?
And now what is the Donald doing about trade? Insulting the Mexican leader? Sure, that'll work for the people.
Quote:Quote:You remember those things, then. That will be the effect of their policies; not going all the way back, for sure, but impeding progress and going some ways back.
So you agree that this is you talking and not actually anything any of these people have actually said.
No, you remember that they said them.
Quote:Quote:He didn't, but the suggestion was about the campaign Democrats ran, and she was the main candidate who carried and enunciated the Democratic policy proposals. And the point I made is that she and other candidates did not do what Mickey accuses "the Democrats" of doing. If you listened to her speeches, and the lines I quoted from her, that is clear.
So, again, this is you arguing against something you made up, again.
I don't think so. Hillary was the face of the Democrats, and what they stood for and what they advocated. And the other Democratic candidates around the country, and the platform, did say the same things. Remember the platform was partly shaped by Bernie Sanders and endorsed by him. It doesn't matter how many words Mickey can pick out.
Quote:Quote:The Fox News video you linked comes up too slowly. Very limited example, with no chance of becoming DNC chair, and not a major politician that anyone ever heard, or heard-of.
So we've gone from "I doubt they are Democratic politicians saying such things" to, "Well, some Democratic politicians may have said them, but not ones that count.."
It wasn't a very good example that you chose, was it?!