The failure of the Democratic Party

[Eric the Green]

(02-05-2017, 01:04 AM)Mickey123 Wrote: Your strategy is to be divided and conquer, and this strategy is no longer working and will not work again for the rest of your life.  The 60s coalition of people of color, women and gays is finished.

Your view is interesting. It contrasts in interesting ways with mine. I welcome the opportunity to bounce off of your scenario.

It would not appear such a coalition is finished, given the fact that it is powering the strongest demonstrations against Trump so far; the coalition seems to be ramping up, thanks to Trump and to a much lesser extent Hillary, the two candidates who made these issues central to the 2016 campaign. And since people of color are becoming more numerous all the time, it is obviously completely fatal for the Democrats not to embrace them and their issues.

Quote:A storm is coming, Eric, and this storm will wash away all the trivialities and petty bickering and everything else that separates us.  While we don't know what form it will take, imagine that we're in a major war against China, with its 1.3 billion population and its hundreds of nuclear warheads.  China's army dwarfs ours, people are dying by the hundreds of thousands, and while both sides are withholding the use of nuclear weapons, the threat that they'll all be fired off at once is ever present.  No one's going to care about what bathroom men who want to be women want to use, or whether the police are being too rough on certain criminals.

The storm is already here, and I have predicted this storm for decades. 2016 is the beginning of a storm that will continue through the rest of the 4T. The weather has now changed and the forecast is for this 2017 storm to build. It will be primarily a domestic storm, some kind of revolution and/or civil strife, as the divisions in our country lead to fundamental choices we must make. No, the storm is here; not with China. We have no beef with China that's worth nuclear war or huge invasions. We are mutually dependent. Trump is the catalyst, and the opposition to him is the regeneracy. It must be unrelenting from now on, until we take power again and through further domestic struggle enact the reforms we need.

I do think a US war is quite possible around 2025-26, probably involving the fights we are already in rather than a new one; but the tides of history seem to me to focus on the stalemate in this country, and it will be about far more than bathrooms, but about the basic structures of our country and who has the power, just like in all the other 4Ts.

Quote:The time is coming where we will all be asked to sacrifice, some much more than others.  Those who attack our country and its values from within will be considered traitors.  There will be no "smashing the patriarchy", no "free the nipple", no slut walks.  Conformity will be valued over individuality, as everyone tries to show that they, too, are fighting to protect the nation.

No more conformity than during the civil war or revolution; those are the cycles that are returning most clearly. It will be specifically an attack on those who have grasped power in this country, gravely endangered our planet, stirred up prejudice for political gain, and used slogans of freedom to keep people chained to low wages and poverty and unemployment.

Quote:The unraveling is over.  It's time to grow up and stop whining.  Nobody cares how special a snowflake you are.  "We're gonna need you to charge up that hill through machine gun fire, and try not to get yourself killed, or all that money we spent in training your dumb ass will be wasted".

Those kinds of wars are out of date. That's one of the lessons of our saeculum. It's time to move beyond war as fully as we can. A major focus of this 4T is to avoid and stop any such war. And the 4T American wars of the past have usually been about the struggle to defeat the forces of slavery, oppression and reaction and to advance the country beyond out of date structures, not a foreign invasion or imperial project. Even the previous 4T started that way. Revolution and civil war are upon us, just like in all the past 4Ts, and that's the hill we're going to be charging up to achieve victory over the forces of repression and stagnation. We're going to "whine" a great deal more, and the "whining" is already ramping up big time. There will be so much whining even the liberals will get sick of whining. It will be up to us how violent it will be. When we liberals and real moderates come together, the 1% will be defeated without much trouble, along with their fanatical, deceived supporters protecting their guns and their tax money.

And why are you not complaining about THOSE PEOPLE; the Tea Party types who are whining about nothing, who are upset because their cherished libertarian economics ideology is challenged, who are only interested in lower taxes and protecting their right to bear arms, because they fear they might be criminals or insane and have them taken away? These loonies, who listen to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity scream and yell about freedom while their freedoms are being squelched by the big business interests who only care about their own power and wealth? It is time for THEM, the mostly white rural conservatives of this country, to think about the country and not just their whiny little selves and their desire for lower taxes and the dogmas and hatreds fomented by their fundamentalist preachers.

Quote:The time is coming for people of color, women and gays, to demonstrate how much they have to give to the country, not whether they've been able to take enough, just as will be expected of everyone else.

If you, Eric, and the Democratic party and liberals in general fail to realize all this, then you'll be cast aside, your values abandoned, as everyone else deals with the conflict our country will be facing.

What we have to give to the country, is to move it forward and liberate it from Republican obstruction once and for all, forever. That is giving to the country, now; to save it from itself. The time is coming for white people to quit complaining about people of color, and for the Republican divide and conquer strategy to be put aside, so we can remember that we are stronger together in our common fight against the Established Order of neo-liberalism and greed. We must come together and put our country first. Blacks and whites, women and men, all of us, have a common enemy, and that is the 1%, the bosses who have hogged the wealth and power unto themselves and forced most people to work for nothing or have their jobs taken away and replaced with machines and cheap labor, and are threatening the life of our planet. That is the conflict we ARE facing; there's no "will be" about it. It has been the conflict since the 4T began, and it has been the conflict since the 60s. It is now ramped up, as of these two weeks. The 4T is to complete the 2T, not to shut it up. The 2T is when the tasks were given to us to complete in this 4T. We must complete them. Those who don't realize this, are off track seriously.

It is up to Americans to face the task of moving our country forward, or watching it die. The time of decision is at hand. America must change, or America will die.