02-06-2017, 02:00 AM
(02-05-2017, 08:35 PM)Marypoza Wrote:(02-05-2017, 06:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(02-05-2017, 05:10 AM)Marypoza Wrote:(02-04-2017, 10:47 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(02-04-2017, 09:20 PM)Marypoza Wrote: -- why is it, that whenever l callout neolibturds, DINOS, & other assorted crappy Dems, you automatically assume l'm with the Donald? I can take out 2 bags of trash @ once. So can most Greens l know. Can you?
I already explained that. I am less optimistic about Americans than you. I've seen them put Bush and Trump in the White House and creepy extremist Republicans in congress and keep them there. We can't expect perfection; we have to settle for whom we can get. This is America.
Quote:No, I guess not, because we don't agree on which bags are trash, and which are just not the gourmet meal we would prefer. To complain about Warren is to go off the deep end and sabotage everything that is needed in politics, and to boost The Donald.
Warren has the backbone; I'm concerned about those Dems who don't.
-- something about her just rings hollow to me, like she's grandstanding or something. Like all this noise she's been making on b1/2 of Muslims. Not that ppl shouldn't stand up for Muslims, but why isn't Sen l'm Part lndian standing with the Lakota @ Standing Rock? Why isn't she speaking on b1/2 of (those she claims are) her own ppl? If she don't have their back, what makes you think she'll have yours, if it comes to that? Dunno it's just a gut feeling l have, l don't trust her
that & she's been confirming the Donald's cabinet picks
Post her chart plz
A feeling is not a substantial basis for an opinion; it's her words and actions that count.
--yeah l know. But it's something l just can't shake. She seems so contrived to me. Maybe it's the timing. She'll speak out only when it's not controversial to do so. Like this stuff with the Muslims has been going on for months. And she's just now getting visible, speaking @ rallies?
I don't get that one. Trump's been in office for 2 weeks; that's what this is about-- what he's doing.
I think that is typical of Americans; we vote for style, not substance. Personality, not policy. It's pretty flimsy as a basis for choice IMO, but it's what I can see from my horoscope research too. A candidate has to be convincing on a gut level, although I think that's superficial and unfair myself. You voted for Jill. If she were a mainstream candidate from a major party, she'd have a good chance to win, according to my horoscope scoring.
Quote:Eric Wrote:She has a backbone and she stands up for the truth. I don't remember what she has said or done about the DAPL. I can't imagine that she's not against it, or the Keystone either.
http://standwithstandingrock.net/senator...ding-rock/
-- thanx for the link. But did you notice the date on that statement? A few wks b4 Xmas? After Tulsi had led the vets to Standing Rock... Jill campaigned there after Labor Day weekend. Bernie had been speaking out & @ rallies for Standing Rock since the summer. He introduced legislation keeping the Army from granting the easement, maybe Liz voted for it, so ok, @ least she stands with them, but she's not very vocal about it. I mean these are supposedly her ppl, you'd think she'd be shouting out loud, sticking her neck out. But she don't seem to stick her neck out on anything. She waits until it's safe
Quote:I know she voted to confirm Ben Carson. She claims she extracted some promises from him. I disagree strongly with that vote and told her so in a comment. But, I don't agree with you that one vote I disagree with means that someone is vile trash.
--well she confirmed 3 more
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/...inet-picks
Boston Mag don't say who they are & l forget their names (they were in my fb feed)
& not vile trash either. The trash bags comes from last summer/fall when these binary thinking idiots would insist that if we Jill voters weren't voting for the hildabitch we must be for the Donald. Nope, we can take out 2 bags of trash @ once. As for Liz, she's just a sellout .
Eric Wrote:In case you couldn't guess, I don't think her chart is good enough on my scoring system to beat Trump. She would lose like Hillary did. I have her chart but I don't think I can post it permanently.
-- l wanted to see it myself, that's why l asked you to post it. I wanted to see why, l have flaky feelings about her. However l agree l don't think she'll win in 2020. She should of run last yr. Instead she jumped the shark. Or like M&L said (about somebody else) she's past her expiration date. I think the same can apply to Ms Liz, if not past it, she's getting there
I have her chart with birth time on my computer, in a virtual system only that I can't print out from right now, but the astro.com site does not, except maybe a temporary one. That's unusual, but we'll see. You really need to see it? I don't think she's going to be the candidate, so it's probably not important. Her chart confirms your suspicion that she doesn't doesn't have what it takes to get elected president. But that doesn't mean she can't be a good senator; as good as we can get, just about.
I think Liz is just getting going, and she's one of the best senators. But this is America; remember. We don't get the best in public office. Not only because our voters are not very smart and vote for kooks, but because of our money-in-politics system that the Republicans maintain. It's too hard on the politicians, too corrupting, and means they have to spend most of their time raising money. And now we have a founder of Citizens United in the White House, thanks to the guy who said he would drain the swamp, and instead has filled it with hungry alligators. That's just another indicator of just how stupid American voters are. It's pathetic. We can't expect better than Liz.