I VOTE YES ON CALEXIT!

[Eric the Green]

(02-07-2017, 06:04 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(02-07-2017, 05:17 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-06-2017, 11:54 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(02-06-2017, 11:43 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: NO DEAL. We'll get Alberta, and with the help of its state government, we'll shut the whole crap dirty oil machine down. No deal without Alberta!

And sorry, we are not dealing with Drump, so no artful deals.

OK, then I suppose Dan can shut this thread down.  No deal = no Calexit.   That's 'cause I'm the one who set up the deal, not Trump. That means California can continue to send $ Oklahoma's way. You see, I'm dealing for Oklahoma's sake. It's an exchange of slush $ California to Oklahoma for Oil transport from Alberta through Oklahoma to the Texas refinery complex. Like I said, I'm the one who is engineering this deal, not Trump, man.

No, *I* set up this thread, so it's MY deal

Okies need to be forced to fend for themselves, if they want oil. Canada/Pacifica understand that we don't need it, and that it's wrong to even use it. We need to transition out of it. The red states don't get that; this is a major reason for Calexit. If we join Canada, then we can maybe get Canada to shut the whole tar sands disaster down, man!

Uh, no.  Canada is a sovereign nation, regardless of how lots of Americans think of it as the 51st state. The same goes for the several provinces as well. That means if pieces of the west coast states decide to join Canada, then it's only fair to extend the same privileges to Canada/its provinces.  I accept said sovereignty in my deal, which makes it much better for Canada. As for Oklahoma, California's exit opens up all sorts of money making possibilities that I'm OK with. I'm sure we can make money hand over fist by accepting nuclear waste, pyrolysis plants for toxic waste reformulation, etc. Desperate times call for desperate measures!

http://wastepyrolysisplant.net/  <-  huge new oil source
http://www.oecd-nea.org/trw/index.html  <-  source for expensive nuclides, like Tc99

Yes, it might be desparate. They may want to declare war on California to keep us in the union, or invade Canada and take Alberta. Who knows.

But if Okies got real concerned, perhaps they could if they chose wake up and go for alternative energy. Wind is a big resource there. Okies don't HAVE to remain in the dark ages. They are just choosing to right now. If we leave and red America is forced to live without as much money and live on its own corrupt and bankrupt values, then they can see for themselves that their trickle-down xenophobia doesn't work.

It would not be a good deal for them, for parts of Canada to go red and go back to the dark ages. Canadians even in Alberta will not like that. They probably like having health insurance, a modicum of gun control, education that is public and not religiously owned and operated, and not being part of a militarist country that likes wars of choice and votes for presidents that cater to Russia, a country that pollutes itself and denies climate change; etc.etc.; they might not like to join this wacked out red America.

And especially if the northeast decides to join the West and petition to join Canada too. Canada would be the powerhouse of North America; look at all the brilliant immigrants who come to Atlantis/Pacifica/Canada! They start 3 times more businesses than so-called natives already. And Atlantis/Pacifica/Canada will welcome these immigrants, while (T)Rump America builds walls to keep them all out. We will crush you economically, and you'll soon be crying for us to come home.

I'd say if America doesn't turn around big time and throw out these fascist wackos soon, the new colossus of the North will be a welcome sight to Canadians and coastal Americans alike! Trumpland is a pariah already; a disgraceful excuse for a non-entity. And day by day, so far, Calexit and Pacific/Atlantic Exit grows more and more attractive. I'd give it a few years for the USA to wake up and throw the bums out and go left. After that, if Trump/Ryan is the direction we're going even after 40 years of its failure, then there's no hope. We'll have to leave you guys to your own devices, and whether it's legal for us to go or not; won't matter. We'll just declare it so, and say bye bye. By executive orders!