02-10-2017, 05:56 PM
(02-10-2017, 03:50 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:You're an American nationalist of some type who hasn't quite figured out where he belongs ( naturally fits in) on the central issues yet. How different are you on the central issues than me? Keep in mind, I've spent more time taking on views of hardcore leftists and whittling down the number of hardcore leftists and turning Americans away from them than I've spent doing what you were doing (getting your rocks off egotistically, talking big and acting tough around hardcore right wingers and associating with a radical groups that you probably thought wouldn't ever amount to much of anything before Trump. My advice, wise up and don't make the same stupid mistake twice. BTW, they're being loyal blue ideologues who are doing exactly what's expected of them by the ideologues who control them. I can't speak for you, but I could certainly live without that group of so-called American judges. A group of blue minded humans who view themselves as being the superiors to all the Constitutional branches the United States government. Are there any classical liberal judges left on the blue side of the Supreme Court who view themselves as being more powerful than anyone one of them who didn't view their oath as necessary lip service required to receive a plush government job with tons of perks? We'll see.(02-10-2017, 02:06 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(02-10-2017, 05:31 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: The Ninth Circuit recently agreed that Trump's executive order to stop certain aliens from entering the US should not be enforced. Trump responded by calling this a political decision, and announced that he would win easily on appeal. This makes me wonder if Trump is dealing with a well thought out legal position, or if he is shooting from the hip instinctively. To often, when confronted with any sort of opposition, his tendency is to insult and confront with little concern for maintaining contact with reality.
Wondering, I actually slogged through the Ninth Circuit's opinion. I'm not professional legal type, but it felt solid. If there is politics involved, and I suspect there is, it has been camouflaged well behind a wall of precedent. The Ninth walked through Trump's lawyer's claims point by point, and rebutted each point.
On the judicial side of things, conservative judges tend to strictly honor the intent of the authors of the law, while progressive judges might be concerned with the rights of the people. I'm thinking that at least in this case, Trump is over stretching his power while disregarding rights and due process. He's stepping on the toes of both sorts of judges. The unanimous decision by a panel appointed by presidents of both parties might suggest Trump will have a problem moving on.
This reflects an ongoing question on my part. Is Trump lying, or is he living in an alternate reality where he is right? Does he really believe he has some sort of reasonable legal argument?
Who elected the Ninth Circuit Court to be the president of the United States? Who elected them to be the law makers (legislative branch) of the United States? Whose rights are actually being disregarded? Do you like America? Do you like living in America? If our rights can be disregarded what makes you think that your rights can't be disregarded? I told you that you'd be wise to stop viewing issues from a blues perspective to begin viewing issues from more of an American's perspective? If you are incapable of doing so, the extreme partisan label that you use can be used and accurately applied to you by me. You keep falling back/slipping back to an emotionally guided blues perspective. Here we are as a nation, trying to get certain things in place national security wise before we (America) begin leading a war against ISIS (a result of a major blue blunder). Where do you think America is at with ISIS? Love's/respects/values them enough to keep them around for decades or want's them all dead one way or another? Ask yourself this, how did America vote? Did Democrats bringing up their Muslim concerns, young Muslim emotional sob stories about feeling scared about being judged by Americans and using a poor Muslim still suffering from the emotional loss of a son as political pawn against Trumps policies, change the way America voted?
I love living in America plus I am a type of Amercan Nationalist (but very different from Trumpists). I have had many, many issues with the 9th, over the years. There were many times that I agreed with Michael Savage' moniker "the Stench from the Bench" - regarding this court.
Nonetheless, they are correct and right on this one. Dare I say, they are actually being a bit Strict Constructionist. Their reading of this is quite conservative. In this case, Trump is the radical the The Judiciary are being good conservatives.