What is our 4T contest about? Can we see it differently?

[Eric the Green]

(02-10-2017, 11:26 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(02-10-2017, 09:25 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-10-2017, 08:31 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(02-10-2017, 05:45 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-10-2017, 05:28 PM)Marypoza Wrote: -- yeah but l think what the author is saying is we need to reach out to the antiglobalist Trumpistas, reach out & form a big antiglobalist movement. Just like Marx said the workers of the world should unite

We need to take a stronger stand on the trade issue, and make clear that the blue side and progressives support the interests of workers; and yes that's worldwide. Not an anti-globalist movement, because that is pure Trumpism; combining justified opposition to corporate "free trade" with xenophobic and racism nationalism and neo-liberal policies. Anti-globalist is not the right meme or slogan at all if we want to create the movement that will help the people.

Justice, peace, freedom, equality of opportunity for all, fair trade and fair policies. That's positive. Anti neo-liberal corporatism; that's the opposition meme.

--yeah you got a point there. The name of the movement s/b positive. Ppl don't realize the importance of words & framing their intentions. I went to a workshop about the Secret once & they said that was a big reason why the antiwar movement failed bcuz it was antiwar. So yeah you're right. The name needs to be positive. The antiwar movement needs to rename itself too

That's the peace movement.

--yeah except they don't call themselves that.

Being in touch with the movement, I think they do. The "anti-war movement" was mainly the anti Vietnam War movement. Then there's the "Beyond War" group that had an impact. A bit better name, because the "beyond" word is pretty positive too, compared to "anti."

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Eric Wrote:But yes, there needs to be a positive name. And "anti-globalism" as a meme needs to have the nationalism and xenophobia taken out. So what is the positive name for the movement against corporate global neo-liberalism? We'll need to work on that.

Fair trade is part of it. And equality. But the right-wingers can say that equality means everyone is equal financially, regardless of what they do or how lazy they are. So we say equality of opportunity. Not exactly spellbinding.... And Democratic socialism is pretty good, but socialism has a bad rep. We don't want the government to own and run everything. Justice and fairness, but folks like Rags don't like SJWs. So, what's the best name? I'm not sure.

-- economic justice, economic democracy, economic freedom. True Liberals (as opposed to neoliberals, who aren't really liberals @ all)  Or maybe just Fair Traders, as opposed to Free Traders to the bottom 

Something will catch on

that's a bit better..... of course, economics is important to misled Trump voters (having been misled into voting for Trump), some of whom, at least, especially in the Rust Belt, have real problems as a result of free trade, automation, etc. Other issues are even more important to many liberals, especially the neo-sixties issues like ecology, peace, social justice; issues not to be forgotten about either. But "economic democracy" is a phrase from the seventies that is good.