02-13-2017, 10:36 AM
(This post was last modified: 02-13-2017, 12:46 PM by Classic-Xer.)
(02-13-2017, 07:28 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Classic...Bob, I'm not a Republican. I have nothing to do with the doctrines, platforms and policies associated with the Republican party. Eric isn't dealing/speaking with a Republican. Eric is dealing/speaking with an independent voter. Eric isn't dealing/speaking with a person his age who still views/sees things the way they were viewed during the 1960'. To me, Eric is either a person who can't handle rejection or a persistent marketer who doesn't recognize or respect the word no or not interested. We aren't some country in Europe. We are a more wealthier country than any country in Europe. For whatever reason, Eric does not comprehend that and does not adjust his pitch based on the class and the type of person that he is communicating with.
The problem is that just as you perceive yourself to have a reality based common sense perspectives, they will sincerely believe themselves to be reality based common sense people. As you perceive them to be liars, insane, stupid or whatever negative stereotype you'd care to apply, they just as sincerely see you in the same vein.
The worst and the most blind on either side, at the core of their vile stereotype, see real problems in the doctrines and policies of the other side. Neither side is perfect. Both sides could do well listening to the abundant clear descriptions of very real flaws in their doctrines, platforms and policies.
But as long as neither side is willing to respect where the other is coming from, and neither can perceive the other save through ugly distorted prejudices and strong negative emotions, there will be no understanding, compromise or movement out of our current political stagnation.
I have, of course, said essentially the same thing to Eric. I don't expect you to acknowledge the perspective any more than he did. For the moment, I think I've made my point as clear as I possibly can... to both of you. I'll stand back with few expectations and see if either of you can let go of hate and prejudice enough to listen to the other.
As I see it, the Democratic party is basically a two two tier party consisting of upper middle class and above voters and minimum wage and below voters. As far as I can see, Eric represents/politically markets/caters to the minimum wage and below voters (low end voters). Well, I'm not one of them which forces him to have to raise his game which he's not able to do with a voter like myself. I've told him that many times but he doesn't listen to me. He doesn't need to listen to me. He has plenty of cozy blues like you and Democrats like Wonk around to listen to him, feel sympathetic/lend support and lean in his direction or use their political affiliation to move their party more in his direction. What is a life long welfare distributor/union federal worker/Democrat like Wonk going to do without welfare recipients who are in need of the services she's paid to manage and provide? What's Eric going to do without her political support? You and I have already determined that we don't need each others support and we have determined that we've been able to live without each others support. So, we don't have the bond that Eric has with someone like Wonk. If I had better writing skills and typing skills and used to writing a lot, I would continue and scare the shit out of everyone with my intellectual capabilities that so many blue posters here are severely lacking. I dunno, maybe I'll have to hire someone to write for me and blow you guys away.