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[Ragnarök_62]

(02-16-2017, 12:44 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-15-2017, 07:39 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(02-15-2017, 06:42 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-15-2017, 05:58 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(02-15-2017, 03:58 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: <snip>

There might be two extremes in health care.  One can go single payer, government funded, universal health care.  One can go pay as you go.  Obviously a healthy young male is more apt to want to pay as you go.  Any other scheme, one way or another, the healthy young male is paying into a pool of funds that others will draw more from than him.  The single payer government funded universal scheme might be fair in the sense that everyone kicks in according to some supposedly fair tax scheme.  No matter what, though, the poor abused complaining healthy young male ends up kicking in more money than he would under a pay for what you need scheme.

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Uh, I think over a lifetime, males would need more health care due to higher cancer/accident/heart disease.

With that in mind, any sex advantages go away over an average lifetime.  So sex can be excluded on that basis.

Now, I'd prefer single payer with some add ons.

1. Use the VAT tax to pay for it.  Let's just scrap Trump's border tax with a tax that basically does the same thing, but will pass WTO muster. The VAT is better than a fair tax because you can fuck with imports and it's legal. Trump's doing it the hard way.
2. Get rid of Medicaid,VA, and merge it with the single payer plan which can be just Medicare for all.
3. Attempt to cost cut by bringing up Sander's bill about getting rid of no bid drug prices. That's corporate welfare.
4. Go for no fault torts. If ya get hurt, you get a prepaid payout and an automatic investigation. Take the lawyers out.

You need to watch the healthcare debate between Cruz and Sanders that was on CNN. The primary issue is the affordability of healthcare and not the availability to healthcare. Who wants the government in control of making the decisions as far as their healthcare goes? A group of  clueless blues and that's about it. The debate for single payer is pretty much dead. The Obamacare fiasco/ failure pretty much has killed the idea in it's tracks. You got to give up on single payers because there are now to many deaf ears, so to speak.

OK, I did.  Cruz is offering up the same old Neo-liberal markets are always the answer to anything.  Of course Medicare for all isn't free which is why I said use the VAT tax to pay for it. Here's the inside track. Nobody will be paying health insurance premiums anymore. Yes there will be more taxes but the government has done much much better in regard to paying for actual health care than health insurance companies.  So, let me ask you; What value do health insurance companies provide in the provision of health care? All I see is a bunch of hoops to go through.  Here's an estimate of how much we're wasting on health insurance company gross revenue.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/health-car...tatistics/

If you look at that link above, you'll see the dollar amount of 1.668 trillion dollars.  So if we wipe out health insurance companies and have a VAT that raises that amount of revenue, then yes, even Cruz agrees that single payer will pay for everyone's stuff.  If people want more stuff, then they can buy that on the open market. There's no ban on paying out of pocket for a nose job or whatever.  And of course, no matter what, there's rationing. That's where tort reform and getting rid of anti competitive regulations on drug procurment come in. I should have the right to get my scripts filled in Canada.  You know why I can't do this?  It's because most Republicans voted in favor of keeping non competitive regulations so they can suck big Pharma's cocks.

We need this new tax and we'll need more of that tax on top of all the other taxes that we pay in order to pay for it. The government is only paying for a percentage of the population (the ones who are 65 and over and the ones who don't have squat to their name) and subsidizing heath insurance costs for those making about minimum wage. Dude, this is what you have to do for me and everyone like me who already has health insurance paid for by themselves, by their employers, by their unions and by their parents. You have to get rid of the majority of the politicians currently residing in Washington. You have to pass a bunch of laws with really nasty punishments for future corrupt politicians, You have to pass term limits and a balanced budget amendment. After that, the government would have to show us over several years that the government can function as a whole and manage OUR money properly before we would even consider it.

1. Yes, of course the overall tax rate goes up. I admit that because there's no free lunch.  Here's the tradeoff.
Everyone just gets on Medicare at age 0, not 65 like it is now. The VAT tax gets rid of the most regressive tax there is, the medicare part of the payroll tax there is now. That tax disappears on wages. That population over 65 is going to have the highest demographic growth in the future.  So, do you want Medicare to collapse when you're 65? Btw, I use Obamacare and I like it. Sorry. I just know its fatal flaw of using extremely greedy, totally worthless private insurance companies. They are far, far worse than any government entity I've ever dealt with. Just try getting them to agree to something they decided not to pay for.  And yes, I pay for my own insurance and it's only affordable because I get a subsidy.  I do not have $750.00/month just lying around.

2. There won't be any new laws for us. The Obamacare laws can just go away when we replace that with Medicare. Then we'll have 1000+ pages of stuff that can go away. There'd be a few new lines for the VAT, but we can just borrow pretty much any of our trading partners for their laws. They already have 'em. I want the VAT 'cause it fucks people over just as much as the border tax. It hits the same people. The only difference is the WTO can't bitch about it.

3. I do not understand the balanced budget thing. Here's what I'd do. I'd chuck the FED, you know abolish it. Then I'd have the treasury do what Lincoln did. We'd just replace the debt backed money we have now with debt free money. Why should the tax payers give the FED money. I don't think that's needed. After that switch, the debt just goes poof. You'd do it a bit at a time and that's how you get rid of the debt. You'd just use the inflation rate, but get the real frakking number of course to decide how to proceed.

4. There are not much unions now.  Neo-liberalism pretty much killed them off. Now if we'd get something like 50% union workers like it was when we were young then sure unions could counter the economic power of employers.

5. The real solution instead of term limits is to cut off corporate campaign financing. If you don't do that then it's "Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss". Big business is who runs Washington DC right now. The only way to fix it correctly is to reduce corporate influence. Like I'm gonna tell my 2 Senators I'm not voting for them because they both whored themselves out to Big Pharma. Oklahoma needs to if possible, limit campaign donations...

6. I think to reiterate. How well did your parents like Medicare? Mine like it just fine.