(02-20-2017, 04:34 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(02-20-2017, 01:35 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:M&L should take a stroll through largely uneducated [ethnic slurs expunged] inner city culture to see if the issues are worse than lesser educated "pecker wood, hillbilly, redneck" culture that the two of you are so embarrassed to be associated with.(02-18-2017, 03:55 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Appalachia? I don't live in Appalachia (Hill Billy territory). I live near a couple of big stinky, hazy and more polluted blue cities that's loaded with people who believe that they are more important than those who live around them. Big city liberals/rural liberals don't seem to give a shit about those in Appalachia based on the liberal views of the people who currently live there and those who still view the region as their home and their negative views of the region, the use of it's primary resource (coal) and all the American industries (American companies, American products and American jobs associated with all of them) that are closely related to them in general. Did you see the environmental mess that the so-called environmentalist groups left behind for others to clean up in North Dakota?
1. As I suggest to fellow liberals, quit using such regional slurs as "hillbilly", "redneck", "peckerwood", and the like to describe people in the Mountain South. I see little reason to believe that you see them as anything more than cheap labor or cannon fodder. Such people to you might as well be something that rhymes with triggers, and the shared characteristic of such people is (to you) their expendability.
2. The Mountain South has not kept pace with the progress in the rest of America. It went deeply into consumerism when there was good money in coal or lead mining (Missouri), but it did a poor job of making the choices to improve infrastructure and invest in formal education. This is not simply a cultural choice: it also happened to a certain extent in Michigan and Ohio in which state and local politicians chose to keep taxes down and not spend on education that would be necessary with the decline of the auto and tire industries. This is already going on in Louisiana, which has a surprisingly-high per capita income but extreme inequality.
When the coal seams get worked out, when lead becomes a dangerous substance, when the automotive industry is no longer a growth industry concentrated in one state, and when oil wells go dry, failure to put something aside in good times as a hedge when economic realities get more difficult is a blunder.
It is unwise to commit everything to a dying, doomed, or even declining industry unless one has a life expectancy short enough to justify such. But what have I said about blunders? They first seem obviously right.
3. People are free to have negative views of the communities in which they live. I have cultural values inconsistent with a place in which I find myself stuck -- a place where culture is to be bought at Wal*Mart. Cultural life here is cable TV and whatever happen to be in one's book, video, and music collection. My musical taste suggests that I pronounce the letter w like a v or that I have a hacek or umlaut in my surname.
Uh, maybe you missed what I had to say about my musical preferences. European languages that use umlauts include German, Hungarian, Swedish, Finnish, Estonian, and Turkish (only in a small part of Europe. Languages that use the háček include Czech, Slovak, Sorb, Slovene, Croatian, Latvian, and Lithuanian. Dutch, German, and Polish use the letter w to represent a v sound ...
My musical tastes suggest Central Europe, in case you didn't get the hint.
I have little reason to go to the inner city. Did you know that cops in Hartford, Connecticut profile some drug offenders by license plate and hence color? If you are young and white and have Vermont license plates and drive into the slums of Hartford you had better have a good reason. Buying drugs in Hartford for sale in Vermont? Solicitation of prostitution? The Hartford slums have few legitimate attractions to outsiders.
Quote:Do you see many drive by shootings, large scale riots and major interruption in people's lifestyles where the two of you live?
I have a cousin who got caught up in a shooting because her house had a neighbor in a gang. One common technique of intimidating members of rival gangs is to shoot at the neighbor's house. That was in greater Los Angeles. She could probably pass as Hispanic.
Crime used to be much more of a menace, but except for drug activity among white people it has generally gone down. Police have cracked down on drive-by shootings; in almost all jurisdictions it is a criminal offense to fire a gun from inside a motor vehicle. But President Obama hasn't been soft on crime. Like most liberals he has come to recognize that criminal behavior is a frequent habit of comparatively few people, the one-man crime waves. Community organizers like Barack Obama figured out quickly that he needed to know where the drug activity was so that he could avoid it.
Quote:I'm sure the two of you wouldn't mind dying of a heart attack because Black Lives Matter or some other [offensive language redacted] liberal group shut down a road which delayed your ambulance?
First, I do not own an ambulance. Second, I would reasonably expect people in a protest to yield to any emergency vehicle, including an ambulance, a fire truck, or a police car.
Quote:Why are so-called liberals viewed by themselves as being so special? Who teaches so-called liberals to believe that they're so special?
All human life is special, lest life not be worth much. When I witness pointless poverty I find my life debased. There but for the Grace of God go I. But if all life is special, then mine is not particularly special.
Quote:Who teaches/taught/led them to believe that the blue halo's that were given to them by some so-called liberals were permanently attached to them? Who disproved that foolish liberal belief/ideal a long time ago?
It all started when some wise people questioned whether kings could rule by divine right....
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.