Big Lies

[Eric the Green]

(02-20-2017, 10:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-19-2017, 08:43 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(02-19-2017, 08:37 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote:

(02-19-2017, 06:50 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(02-19-2017, 02:44 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: The boomer establishment is tyrannical: if you think Assad, for example, is a monster; why don't you selfish boomer do-gooders permit a vote on whether Assad is villain or not and allow decisions on whether to take action against him be determined by the vote of the American People.

Foreign policy by popular vote would indeed be a new thing.  Lately, the president pretty much determines foreign policy with congressional approval required if force is to be used.  There is currently a Republican president and a Republican congress.  How is it that the blue boomers are supposed to have a major say in the matter?  Other than your personal prejudice which leads you to blame blue boomers for anything you don't like, how are they involved at all?

Can you give an example of when the United States has held a vote on whether or not to go to war?

Do you have even a passing familiarity with reality?

Who said I'm Primarily against blue boomers only? No I consider the enemy to be Bourgeois Neo-Liberalism and Globalism in general of whom Hillary Clinton and John Mccain are the most prominent representatives of said value system. Trump whether you like him or hate him was right regarding his statement regarding mccains war record.

Examples of strong leadership Throughout History:  (Snip)

You're still going with the Adolph Hitler / Genghis Kahn style of leadership by genocide?  No thank you.  So long as you are promoting genocide, I'm not agreeing with your style of leadership.

Tell me, did any of your strong leaders hold a popular vote on whether they should go to war or not?

Show me a war that didn't have congressional support? Was completely pulling out of Iraq, further assisting with the toppling of long standing military regimes which resulted in the rise of ISIS and the greatest humanitarian crisis that the world has seen since World War II, on the ballot in or openly debated in 08'? Well, we can pretty much guarantee that we'll be killing/bombing/disrupting radical Islamic's for the rest of our lifetime and we can pretty much guarantee that there won't be a blue minded President until we are done with radical Islam.

Blatant nonsense.

Waging the Iraq War in 2003 in the first place was among the greatest blunders our country and its president has ever made; easily. One result of this unnecessary war was the rise of Al Qaeda in Iraq, because the chaos and opposition to America provided the opening for this radical Islamic terrorist group. After the "surge" in 2006, Bush made an agreement to pull out, with an Iraqi regime whose sovereignty had been returned. The date for the final pullout was 2011. Obama fulfilled the agreement, leaving behind a militantly pro-Shia regime under Malaki (which insisted the agreement be honored) that fomented the renewal of Al Qaeda in Iraq, now calling itself the Islamic State.

Meanwhile, in Syria, under a pro-Shia regime of the tyrant Assad, climate change created a huge drought which impelled the people to rebel once the Arab Spring had encouraged the revolutions in North Africa and the Near East in 2011. Assad would not allow his people to petition him for relief. He shot and bombed them, forcing the people to organize the Free Syrian Army. This had nothing to do with Obama's pre-arranged pullout of Iraq at all. Once Al Qaeda in Iraq (the Islamic State) had rebounded, it was able to take advantage of the civil war in Syria to gobble up some territory in Eastern Syria too in 2014, where it already had a presence since the mid-2000s.

Are you following this history yet, Classic? Or do you refuse to see it because you'd rather blame it on Obama and liberals?

The greatest humanitarian crisis of our time has little to do with the Islamic State or Islamic terrorism. The refugees are fleeing Assad's genocide, which has killed 400,000 and tortured thousands of Syrian citizens. Millions have been forced out of what used to be Syria. The IS has killed a tiny fraction of the people that Assad has murdered. If Obama had sent more support to the Syrian free rebels, perhaps they might have been in a better position to negotiate Assad's removal from power. But for now, it's up to Turkey and Russia.

The red president Drump's election had more to do with xenophobia, mostly concerning Mexicans, and about decline in the Rust Belt, than the war with Islamic terrorism. Obama made more progress in that than Dubya ever did, because Dubya was too busy arousing more of it with his useless and deadly invasion of Iraq. Blue voters realize most of this history, and won't be fooled by your nonsense. I just hope by 2020 we'll be able to edge out your side because Drump will have failed so badly at everything.

Of course, all that won't make any difference to voters like you, Classic Xer. Just like you ignored the facts about Iraq, you'll ignore the blunders and their results that Drump makes. You red voters would follow a blind pig off a cliff, and-- you do.