02-21-2017, 07:03 PM
(02-21-2017, 04:43 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:The economy has changed and the average blue seems incapable of adjusting to the changes and require more subsidizing than the average red voter. At least, that's the message that I've been receiving from an extreme partisan associated with the blue side. He keeps approaching me as if it's my problem and the issues that blues are having with minorities is my problem too. I don't really care if he makes you look stupid when I make him look stupid by telling him how stupid he looks/comes across to someone like me and how stupid the party who represents him and appears to behind over backwards and cater to his political wants/needs looks to me as well. Why is it that Cynic and I are able to see our differences, but you are unable to see our differences? Are you stupid? Are you not paying enough attention? Are you just another blue who acts like a blue and does what blues do every time a blue gets upset?(02-21-2017, 03:35 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Blue partisan views are pretty extreme. I'm on the side that favors the constitutionally limited government that we have remember. I'm directly opposed to Genghis Kahn, Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon style of government which I view as being more favorable by those on your side. Cynic is on your side and he share views with others who are on your side. Your side attracts all kinds of power mongers because your side is often viewed as weaker side. Republicans have no desire to help everyone and no desire in trying to please everyone and no desire to keep everyone together. BTW, when I saber rattle, I do so with the understanding that neighborhood kids (the children of friends and family members) will be the ones who will be the ones going over there while cozy blue kids are (expletive deleted) around, getting high, getting laid and playing mind games like their deplorable parents/grand parents did during the Vietnam era. Are you one of them blue (dxpletive deleted) who we are able to directly engage/ counter on the internet today. What do we do about those who are associated with so-called white privilege who are similar to yourself? Do we remain idle or do we get more politically involved and get in their face? You don't like nasty terms being applied to you and you don't like the feeling of being associated with the nasty terms/vile stereotypes that are applied to those who exist on your side. I agree that borrow and spend has financial limitations and I wouldn't want to be in cozy blue territory when reality hits and the social turmoil begins.
We've got partisans on both sides who are very extreme.
I would like to see the constitutional limits more strictly enforced, but I see both parties as having power mongers, and as quite willing to use the currently overextended use of government power to advance their causes. They just have different causes.
The Vietnam era was different. There was an active draft and we were trying to support a tyranny. After the way Hitler started, the GI were obsessed with containment, thought it necessary to not allow one inch of a tyranny expanding. Kids were being hauled out of high school against their will and being killed for a cause they believed was absolutely wrong. If you think we have a divided country now, imagine the above divide making things much more intense and unresolvable than things are today.
Yes, effective birth control and new recreational drugs made for a grand upheaval in society. It seemed like a big deal then. It is still remembered as a big deal. It's now been mainstreamed, taken for granted to some degree, continuing to plague in another degree. Some folks are still obsessed with the old images and feel of the awakening, and think of blue folk as if they were still young hippies. For me that time is long gone. Youngsters today still have problems with sex, booze and drugs. Likely young kids, and the not so young, always will. Society is better accumulated now to stuff that was very new then, but the problems are still with us, and not at all limited to blue areas.
And yes, I'm displeased by the insults and stereotypes thrown around by extreme partisans of all flavors. Displeased, but hardly shocked and dismayed. That's just what partisans do. Rather than try to understand and coexist with those who are different, they demonize and hate. Those who get caught up in vile stereotypes and ongoing abusive behavior are to my eyes just messed up, not worthy of being taken personally or seriously. A lot of the 'discussion' here consists of an exchange of vile stereotypes. Each side tries to tell the other side how awful they are and don't see the vile descriptions of themselves as accurate or relevant at all. To a great degree, they aren't. As I don't see either set of stereotypes as particularly accurate, it is those who spend all their time spewing that hate that deserve to be shunned and scorned rather than the people being insulted.
The economy is changing. Fewer folk are needed to do the receptive manual manufacturing jobs once common to the Rust Belt and the hard work done in the coal mines. There are more higher tech jobs of the sort found in the 'cozy' blue areas. It is not hard to understand that aspect of the unrest. Will whining and complaining fix the problem? Do you think the new innovative companies creating the new economy will want to locate away from the well educated urban areas where rival tech companies have already half trained the work force? Yes, those unwilling or unable to adapt to the new economy could go violent. I'm just not sure how this helps. If they 'win', what will that give them? They get to seize jobs they aren't suited for by force? From a blue perspective, the relatively healthy modern blue economy can be seen as carrying the dead weight of the rusting red economy. This isn't optimal, obviously. I'd like to hear positive suggestions for fixes rather than insults, childish temper tantrums and threats.