Big Lies

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(02-24-2017, 04:46 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-24-2017, 04:20 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(02-24-2017, 04:06 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(02-24-2017, 03:27 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-24-2017, 09:44 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Noting a nuance in the spin game.  The main stream press is reporting that Trump is asking intelligence agencies for reports that justify policies...  such as the travel ban.  There is a difference between asking for a report to justify a policy and asking for a report on how effective a policy might be.  He has already committed to a policy on political ground, and is asking the intelligence agencies to produce propaganda to justify the politics.  They are in at least some cases declining. 

In this he is following the example of the previous Republican president.

No Eric. There is no similarity. We are in uncharted territory.

I'd acknowledge some similarity, but Trump has indeed taken the pattern well beyond into uncharted territory.

On the other hand, Trump hasn't pushed false Casus belli... at least not yet.  Trump seems quite at home in uncharted territory, but Bush 43 knew how to do a Big Lie when he felt like it.

Yes he sure did. His intelligence agency was crafted to support his war in Iraq. Bush and Cheney designed it specifically to cook up the rationale.

Trump may take it to a level where it becomes normal procedure for lies on a daily basis. Not sure the CIA will be in his pocket on that though. He'd have to restaff the entire agency, and all similar agencies. That's certainly possible.

As far as the so-called Big Lie, I didn't see Bush do anything to cover it up. He pretty much seemed to accept they were wrong about Saddam having an active WMD program. As far as WMD's, I've read that they found about five thousand artillery shells with sarin gas over the years that followed the invasion. Once again, I don't think blues were paying attention to the details, what was going on and being debated at the time. I understood that we were guessing about the existence of WMD's and WMD program. If I could understand it, why couldn't you or Bob understand it and accept that we were wrong about them.