Big Lies

[Eric the Green]

(02-25-2017, 01:06 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-24-2017, 09:44 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Noting a nuance in the spin game.  The main stream press is reporting that Trump is asking intelligence agencies for reports that justify policies...  such as the travel ban.  There is a difference between asking for a report to justify a policy and asking for a report on how effective a policy might be.  He has already committed to a policy on political ground, and is asking the intelligence agencies to produce propaganda to justify the politics.  They are in at least some cases declining. 

I have noted that on these forums extreme partisans can live in alternate realities where they cannot agree on what ought to be objective fact.  This seems to be a problem at the highest level of government as well.

I hope blues aren't foolish enough to deny the existence of Islamic terrorism and ignore which region that it's been coming/ will be coming in from and the realities associated with the governments ( 5 currently without a formal government, 1 with a severely weakened government and one state (the largest) sponsor of terrorism) and the condition of the countries (6 hell holes with Islamic radicals and one stable society controlled by Islamic radicals ) involved in the ban and the impacts that immigration from any of them may have on us/our children as far as the future of America is concerned. I don't live in an alternate reality. I live in reality, so to speak. Do blues live in reality?

The reality is that the states Trump chose to deny travel from have been the source of almost none of the terrorist attacks, and those he exempted because he himself does business there, the source of thousands of them.

The reality is that a religious test for entry into the USA violates the constitution.

The reality is that refugees from monstrous dictators like Assad (terrorist governments) are thoroughly vetted for at least a year and a half already, so there was no need for any change in policy.

The reality is that refugees from Syria have committed no terrorist acts in the USA. The only possible terrorist who travelled to the USA in recent years came here on a marriage visa to her terrorist husband who was born in the USA. She came from a country that is not part of Trump's travel ban.

The reality is that most terror attacks in Europe were directed by the Islamic State by its agents who already lived there before the current refugee crisis, and most crimes by Muslims were committed by residents already there and not new refugees from Assad's terror.

The reality is that the USA created the conditions for the Islamic State by its invasion of Iraq and the inevitable resistance to it.