02-25-2017, 04:31 PM
(02-25-2017, 01:06 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(02-24-2017, 09:44 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Noting a nuance in the spin game. The main stream press is reporting that Trump is asking intelligence agencies for reports that justify policies... such as the travel ban. There is a difference between asking for a report to justify a policy and asking for a report on how effective a policy might be. He has already committed to a policy on political ground, and is asking the intelligence agencies to produce propaganda to justify the politics. They are in at least some cases declining.
I have noted that on these forums extreme partisans can live in alternate realities where they cannot agree on what ought to be objective fact. This seems to be a problem at the highest level of government as well.
I hope blues aren't foolish enough to deny the existence of Islamic terrorism and ignore which region that it's been coming/ will be coming in from and the realities associated with the governments ( 5 currently without a formal government, 1 with a severely weakened government and one state (the largest) sponsor of terrorism) and the condition of the countries (6 hell holes with Islamic radicals and one stable society controlled by Islamic radicals ) involved in the ban and the impacts that immigration from any of them may have on us/our children as far as the future of America is concerned. I don't live in an alternate reality. I live in reality, so to speak. Do blues live in reality?
I also recognize that we Americans are more at risk from white-supremacist terrorism, the violence of urban gangs, ordinary street crime, and environmental carcinogens than we are of 'Islamic terrorism'. By supporting a politician who sees nothing wrong with gutting restraints upon carcinogens, you support pointless death, even if it is hard to predict who will be the incremental increase in deaths from cancer. You would impose greater risks upon us Americans so that a few people can get enhanced profits. You endorse a politician likely to make more people hate America and create pretexts for terrorist attacks upon America and Americans.
I can't say that either you or President Trump endorses any policies that can cause obvious increases in use of illicit drugs whose proceeds in part go into the horrid drug wars in Colombia and Mexico.
People seeking refuge in America are generally trying to get away from thug regimes or terrorist activity. Such people are likely to follow the expectations of good citizenship here, and having been granted asylum here they will most likely stay clear of terrorist activity. If some refugees in Germany have anything to say about it, they squealed on someone in their midst who showed an interest in committing terrorism in Germany. German police caught the would-be terrorist linked to Daesh.
The only 'alternative reality' in my world is fiction and fantasy that I can easily separate from reality.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.