03-11-2017, 12:17 AM
The quote tags are getting too complex so let me simplify.
I didn't say they weren't dangerous. I said they weren't fascist which is quite different. Both are clearly dangerous because identity politics itself is dangerous. However, a choice has to be made either we have identity politics for everyone, which means Spencer and Taylor must have a seat at the table, or we have identity politics for no one. Which means people have to stop using the cop outs of "bcuz racism" an "bcuz Slavery".
I really shouldn't have to explain this, but if one is going to stop racism, one has to stop being racist, themselves first. Whether that is white racism in the form of the Klan or lower expectations for Black and Brown peoples. And the failures of Black and Brown people also have to stop being laid at the feet of whites.
That is the only way we can ever realize MLK's dream. To be anti-racist one must reject identity politics even those of the Left because idenity politics is itself inherently racist.
The history of Fascism indicates that it is a product of the Left actually. National Socialism is still socialism it is just a different form from Bolshevik socialism. Mussolini himself was editor of the Italian Socialist Party's paper before WW1.
I would argue that Franco while he is called a fascist really was a military strong man.
Three points: 1. W was a 3T president. Unless you've suddenly changed your start date for the 4T you agree with that.
2. Obama is an anomaly. His style of leadership was wholly inappropriate for a 4T as he was pre-seasonal.
3. Donald Trump is the GC. He's not the one Blues expected but he's the one we got. S&H didn't say everyone like the GC. In fact it usually common for at least half the country to hate him. See Lincoln and FDR.
The pattern may hold, but why it holds will be for different reasons. I strongly suspect that if the Dems by some miracle pick up 10 seats it will because of incumbent GOP candidates who either were severely weakened in a primary or lost a primary to a candidate that was repugnant to the district. The GOP is itself in major flux because Trump has expanded the base and the NeoCons are a clear minority in the party now. I don't expect any Dem pick ups in the Senate.
I could be wrong though but the Democrats look very weak and are doubling down on the strategies they've had for the last 8 years which so far have not worked. Past performance is an indication of future performance.
Wall Street is only important to investors, bankers and politicos. That isn't Trump's base. Honestly people don't care about the bull market Main Street is still suffering. (You would know that if you got out more.)
I don't think that he will lead us into any overt foreign calamities. If anything he wants to renegoitate our trade deals and re-examine our alliances (many of which--like NATO) are the very entangling alliances George Washington warned us about. Over all I think Trump is the perfect person to deconstruct the Wilsonian Mission, and he has the problem solving skills of any CEO.
The Presidency was designed in such a way that a man of moderate education could take it up, serve four years and go back to his farm.
That only matters if they have dirt that can be thrown at them.
Only because of California and New York have such large populations. But we don't elect the President on the basis of the popular vote any more than we determine who wins the World Series by who had the most runs. The Electoral College is a work of genius because without it candidates would only campaign in the five largest cities.
I'll ignore your insults to the President because I know that its just you being butthurt over having picked a corrupt, and sick loser. I get that same shit from my mother though she also throws the fact that I'm black in my face (Never mind that my Grandfather was a solid Republican as is my Father), I suppose because we're supposed to vote the way the nice white lady tells us rather than for the nice white man who actually has hired many of us. We've not discussed politics since I told her flat out: "I've walked off the plantation and there ain't shit you can do bout it."
1. Trump is opposed to wars of choice. That by extension means all wars started for the pursuit of profit. He's been consistent on that since the 1980s, and I imagine it stems from him understanding this universal truth. You can't make a deal if you're dead, or your customer is.
2. The economy most likely won't collapse for Main Street. Could it get bad for Wall Street types? Maybe but who cares? That isn't Daddy's consultancy anyway.
3. Since Trump opposes wars of choice that means Americans won't be coming home in body bags baring us being attacked either directly by a nation or by a terrorist group. Both of those would have different consequences obviously for the President.
Trump wasn't a long shot. It was in the bag for him the second that the Dems nominated HRC. Had it been the Socialist Jew things might have been different. You have to blame your own party for that.
It would be impossible to make Dubya look wise, principled, benevolent, or flexible--well maybe Andrew Johnson could do it but only him. Honestly I don't care if Trump is all of those things, or not. I only care if he's good enough to address the issues we face today. From where I sit, he can't do worse than what's preceded him from both parties. He was elected because of who he wasn't, not who he is.
You are also in your 60s. People in their 20s have different needs. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but politically speaking you have what maybe 3 or 4 cycles left if you're lucky. Jack Q. Twentysomething has more than 10 ahead of him. You've missed my point. The Dem leadership is aging out, their bench is bare. My prediction back in January of Last Year was that Trump would win (he did) and that because of that either the Democrats or the Republicans would collapse.
The Democratic Party is in systemic collapse now. Unlike Eric, I base my predictions on the logical outcomes of current events.
The only thing I was an early adopter on in the past few years was personal vaporizers (e-cigarattes) but that was because traditional cigarettes were killing me an everything else had already failed twice. Otherwise I stay at least 5 years and often 10 years behind on tech. It keeps my costs low.
I've since developed for myself a system that works for me, so appart from the occasional purchase of wire, wicking material, batteries (which are very infrequent) or of Polypropylene Glycol and Glycerol (about once every six months--I buy bulk) my expenses there are minimal.
It is unlikely such a job exists. Smart phones are quite honestly mostly toys. I do quite well with a flip phone that just makes calls and texts.
Actually I'd say that the right left false dichotomy is inaccurate at best. Generally speaking on Youtube politics channels fall into two categories. Authoritarians (of the right or the left) and Libertarians (of the right or the left). The Left-Right axis is passing away from prominence. That being said, I bet you'd call the elected President of the US a right wing troll so I'm taking this with a grain of salt.
Not even close. In the sciences you have many many closet conservatives. As for culture, you have a more even distribution, but the young up and comers are all on the Right. The Left is no longer the rebellion, it is the man. Or does Uncle Milo have to explain it again?
Hollywood has always produced garbage (even in the so-called golden age, there's a market for garbage). TV has been a vast cultural wasteland since before the 2T so that's nothing new.
As for your favorite cable channel...I don't know I only watch sports on TV, otherwise it's primarily there to entertain my mother. Besides for her, we don't really watch TV unless it is sports or news.
A nit you knew I would pick. I grew up in Indiana, Illinois and Kentucky. The climates of those states aren't much different from Iowa's. On top of that my up bringing was primarily rural.
And atmospheric pressure has nothing to do with why both are warming. I'll give you a hint though as to why both are (as is the Earth and every other body in the star system)....its a big yellow fire like thing in the sky.
The rest is all minute details of little importance. Imagine that, though, an object that contains 95+% of the mass of the solar system affects the climate on the other 5% of the mass. Who'd have thunk, right.
PBR Wrote:I have seen enough about Jared Taylor and Richard Spencer to recognize that I don't want any part of them. It's about like seeing sulfuric acid attack sugar or cellulose. You do not want to touch sulfuric acid.Th
I didn't say they weren't dangerous. I said they weren't fascist which is quite different. Both are clearly dangerous because identity politics itself is dangerous. However, a choice has to be made either we have identity politics for everyone, which means Spencer and Taylor must have a seat at the table, or we have identity politics for no one. Which means people have to stop using the cop outs of "bcuz racism" an "bcuz Slavery".
I really shouldn't have to explain this, but if one is going to stop racism, one has to stop being racist, themselves first. Whether that is white racism in the form of the Klan or lower expectations for Black and Brown peoples. And the failures of Black and Brown people also have to stop being laid at the feet of whites.
That is the only way we can ever realize MLK's dream. To be anti-racist one must reject identity politics even those of the Left because idenity politics is itself inherently racist.
PBR Wrote:Fascists are generally on the Right, but not everyone on the Right is fascist.
The history of Fascism indicates that it is a product of the Left actually. National Socialism is still socialism it is just a different form from Bolshevik socialism. Mussolini himself was editor of the Italian Socialist Party's paper before WW1.
I would argue that Franco while he is called a fascist really was a military strong man.
PBR Wrote:That applied to Dubya and to Obama. What causes you to believe that it won't happen this time? Note well that even if the pattern allows Democrats to pick up ten House seats (far from enough to give the Democrats a majority in the House) the pattern still holds.
Three points: 1. W was a 3T president. Unless you've suddenly changed your start date for the 4T you agree with that.
2. Obama is an anomaly. His style of leadership was wholly inappropriate for a 4T as he was pre-seasonal.
3. Donald Trump is the GC. He's not the one Blues expected but he's the one we got. S&H didn't say everyone like the GC. In fact it usually common for at least half the country to hate him. See Lincoln and FDR.
The pattern may hold, but why it holds will be for different reasons. I strongly suspect that if the Dems by some miracle pick up 10 seats it will because of incumbent GOP candidates who either were severely weakened in a primary or lost a primary to a candidate that was repugnant to the district. The GOP is itself in major flux because Trump has expanded the base and the NeoCons are a clear minority in the party now. I don't expect any Dem pick ups in the Senate.
I could be wrong though but the Democrats look very weak and are doubling down on the strategies they've had for the last 8 years which so far have not worked. Past performance is an indication of future performance.
PBR Wrote:For Trump to get Republican gains in the House he will need to become very well perceived. When you consider that the economy is still in the Obama bull market and there haven't been any overt calamities in foreign policy... it's only a matter of time before something goes wrong, and the strength and appropriateness of his problem-solving skills get tested.
Wall Street is only important to investors, bankers and politicos. That isn't Trump's base. Honestly people don't care about the bull market Main Street is still suffering. (You would know that if you got out more.)
I don't think that he will lead us into any overt foreign calamities. If anything he wants to renegoitate our trade deals and re-examine our alliances (many of which--like NATO) are the very entangling alliances George Washington warned us about. Over all I think Trump is the perfect person to deconstruct the Wilsonian Mission, and he has the problem solving skills of any CEO.
The Presidency was designed in such a way that a man of moderate education could take it up, serve four years and go back to his farm.
PBR Wrote:Survivors of primary challenges find that the Other Side then throws the dirt left over from the primary challenge. Think at the extreme of Blanche Lincoln.
That only matters if they have dirt that can be thrown at them.
Quote:Hillary Clinton won the popular vote
Only because of California and New York have such large populations. But we don't elect the President on the basis of the popular vote any more than we determine who wins the World Series by who had the most runs. The Electoral College is a work of genius because without it candidates would only campaign in the five largest cities.
PBR Wrote:Should the economy collapse under Trump or should we get drawn into a War for Profits that bloats the debt and sends lots of American youth back in body bags, then we almost all lose.
I'll ignore your insults to the President because I know that its just you being butthurt over having picked a corrupt, and sick loser. I get that same shit from my mother though she also throws the fact that I'm black in my face (Never mind that my Grandfather was a solid Republican as is my Father), I suppose because we're supposed to vote the way the nice white lady tells us rather than for the nice white man who actually has hired many of us. We've not discussed politics since I told her flat out: "I've walked off the plantation and there ain't shit you can do bout it."
1. Trump is opposed to wars of choice. That by extension means all wars started for the pursuit of profit. He's been consistent on that since the 1980s, and I imagine it stems from him understanding this universal truth. You can't make a deal if you're dead, or your customer is.
2. The economy most likely won't collapse for Main Street. Could it get bad for Wall Street types? Maybe but who cares? That isn't Daddy's consultancy anyway.
3. Since Trump opposes wars of choice that means Americans won't be coming home in body bags baring us being attacked either directly by a nation or by a terrorist group. Both of those would have different consequences obviously for the President.
PBR Wrote:Horse racing wouldn't be so interesting if 50-1 long-shots didn't win on occasion, like about one time in 50. Unfortunately for us we Americans had far more running on the 2016 election than whether our $5 bets might pay off $250. With a really-bad President, and I already see Donald Trump making Dubya look like a wise, principled, benevolent, and flexible leader by contrast.
Trump wasn't a long shot. It was in the bag for him the second that the Dems nominated HRC. Had it been the Socialist Jew things might have been different. You have to blame your own party for that.
It would be impossible to make Dubya look wise, principled, benevolent, or flexible--well maybe Andrew Johnson could do it but only him. Honestly I don't care if Trump is all of those things, or not. I only care if he's good enough to address the issues we face today. From where I sit, he can't do worse than what's preceded him from both parties. He was elected because of who he wasn't, not who he is.
PBR Wrote:Free $#!+? No thanks. I am at the point in which I will need to downsize my possessions.
You are also in your 60s. People in their 20s have different needs. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but politically speaking you have what maybe 3 or 4 cycles left if you're lucky. Jack Q. Twentysomething has more than 10 ahead of him. You've missed my point. The Dem leadership is aging out, their bench is bare. My prediction back in January of Last Year was that Trump would win (he did) and that because of that either the Democrats or the Republicans would collapse.
The Democratic Party is in systemic collapse now. Unlike Eric, I base my predictions on the logical outcomes of current events.
PBR Wrote:Part of the economic mess is that the productivity of the world is high enough that we can no longer rely upon greater output of manufactures to make people happier. I know one way to live much more frugally than many others -- be what demographers call a "late adapter".
The only thing I was an early adopter on in the past few years was personal vaporizers (e-cigarattes) but that was because traditional cigarettes were killing me an everything else had already failed twice. Otherwise I stay at least 5 years and often 10 years behind on tech. It keeps my costs low.
I've since developed for myself a system that works for me, so appart from the occasional purchase of wire, wicking material, batteries (which are very infrequent) or of Polypropylene Glycol and Glycerol (about once every six months--I buy bulk) my expenses there are minimal.
PBR Wrote:(OK, if I had a job in which being technologically up-to-date made me better at the job, I would be an early-adapter. But I am not buying a K-Cup coffee maker, and I know the inevitable direction of most electronic devices. My new jo0b will require a smart phone, but not one of the $600 models. More like $60).
It is unlikely such a job exists. Smart phones are quite honestly mostly toys. I do quite well with a flip phone that just makes calls and texts.
PBR Wrote:The 5-to-1 ratio of conservatives to liberals on YouTube are on politics... and four of the five 'conservatives' are right-wing trolls.
Actually I'd say that the right left false dichotomy is inaccurate at best. Generally speaking on Youtube politics channels fall into two categories. Authoritarians (of the right or the left) and Libertarians (of the right or the left). The Left-Right axis is passing away from prominence. That being said, I bet you'd call the elected President of the US a right wing troll so I'm taking this with a grain of salt.
PBR Wrote:On culture and science the ratio is more like even.
Not even close. In the sciences you have many many closet conservatives. As for culture, you have a more even distribution, but the young up and comers are all on the Right. The Left is no longer the rebellion, it is the man. Or does Uncle Milo have to explain it again?
PBR Wrote:There's much garbage emanating from Hollywood, and TV has never been a patrician medium. Does it say something that one of my favorite cable channels is Turner Classic Movies?
Hollywood has always produced garbage (even in the so-called golden age, there's a market for garbage). TV has been a vast cultural wasteland since before the 2T so that's nothing new.
As for your favorite cable channel...I don't know I only watch sports on TV, otherwise it's primarily there to entertain my mother. Besides for her, we don't really watch TV unless it is sports or news.
PBR Wrote:Nitpick.
A nit you knew I would pick. I grew up in Indiana, Illinois and Kentucky. The climates of those states aren't much different from Iowa's. On top of that my up bringing was primarily rural.
PBR Wrote:OK, smarty-pants. Venus is as hot as it is because of the high atmospheric pressure; Mars is cold because of the low atmospheric pressure.
And atmospheric pressure has nothing to do with why both are warming. I'll give you a hint though as to why both are (as is the Earth and every other body in the star system)....its a big yellow fire like thing in the sky.
The rest is all minute details of little importance. Imagine that, though, an object that contains 95+% of the mass of the solar system affects the climate on the other 5% of the mass. Who'd have thunk, right.
It really is all mathematics.
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