04-17-2017, 06:25 PM
(04-14-2017, 11:00 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: The consensus is that Bannon did not post here (on the old forum).
Howe has said that Trump's modus operandi and approach is typical 4T, but not that his policies will be the decisive ones of the 4T. I believe that is in the link below about FDR and Lincoln, posted below the second you tube video from 1997 which I posted in the other Neil Howe and Strauss thread in the "Howe and the first turning" forum. Howe has said the 4T will last until 2029, and maybe even beyond. "We're not even half way through," he says. If Trump is the gray champion, he will evolve into one, rather than being one going in; says Howe. His 4T dates now dovetail with what I had predicted on the old forum in circa 2000.
In the 1998 video I also posted here on that thread, which also showed early 4T forum members at a meeting, it seemed there was an inconsistency between what Strauss and Howe said about when the 4T was predicted to begin. Even back then, Howe said it could be 2008, while Strauss always said 2005, which was the date used in the T4T book.
I'm thinking of how Donald Trump can lead America in a Crisis era. We can start by ruling out the po0ssibility of him as a monster who precipitates an apocalypse that leads to a catastrophic end. He is definitely not the new Adolf Hitler, an all-or-nothing type. Trump is so far reckless -- but not that reckless.
On the other side I cannot see him as a new Disraeli, Lincoln, Juarez, Churchill, FDR, or Mannerheim. He is far too much a divider. One is 100% for him even in knowledge of his faults or one does not have a role. I cannot see him uniting Americans in the New Feudalism that his economic agenda offers. 'Suffer for my unrestrained greed and take vicarious delight in my ostentatious splendor' is the message of a Pharaoh. He lacks an agenda on which most Americans can concur. Lincoln clearly had majority support for his agenda -- if one counted the slaves that his war liberated from bondage. President Trump has polarized America more than it has been under Obama. This is not the sort of person that I want as the Commander-in-Chief and First Diplomat in a time of consummate danger. Every-man-for-himself, the Trump ethos, is likely to result in disaster.
A compromised leader who seems to fall before the Inevitable? Such reflects more the weaknesses of a national reality. A small nation in with Hitler or Stalin as a neighbor is in deep danger.
I see him as the sort who bumbles his way through a dangerous time and entices Americans to make him largely irrelevant before replacing him in the next election. He may show us by example how not to do things so that the next leader has few choices -- maybe the few right ones.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.