07-14-2017, 06:09 PM
(07-14-2017, 05:23 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(07-14-2017, 11:52 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(07-14-2017, 09:06 AM)David Horn Wrote: Color me dubious. We all seem to march ever further into our respective corners, and no one seems ready to stop. We have get to 'stop' before any of us can start to retrace our steps. Count me among the guilty.
Well, we've got a few days pause in the insults, straw man, 'humor' and ad-hominem, anyway. That leaves what? Silence? I still think there must be someone leaning red who could better positively articulate red central ideas, but perhaps not?
Warren Dew, Classic Xer and others (who am I forgetting?) have done thatherealready. As positive as it can get, anyway.
Warren has reasonably contributed to the positive and negative rights conversation, but hasn't tried an overall red summary in this thread. I do know he has defended his variation of supply side on other threads, goes into much more detail than most can follow, and didn't convince Mikebert who seems to be one of the few that can and does follow him. I wouldn't mind him elaborating a bit more on how positive and negative rights come into conflict. I think I've covered my views as far as I can without understanding where he is coming from.
Kinser advocated tribal morality for a while on other threads, but seemingly hasn't answered the point that many (especially progressives) find focus on one particular group's welfare repugnant. He seems to have dropped his advocacy of tribal morality.
If by 'here' you mean scattered all over the forums you are sort of correct.
Galen Wrote:The libtards can't handle this concept. It interferes with their concept of omnipotent government. Their religion is statism and the state is their god.
That seems to me more insult and straw man that what I'm looking for. I just thought I'd make it clear that at least one progressive can handle the concept.
Anyway, even if you are not interested in a relatively positive leaning exchange, I am.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.