The Maelstrom of Violence

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(08-29-2017, 02:44 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(08-28-2017, 11:22 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(08-28-2017, 11:03 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(08-28-2017, 10:50 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(08-28-2017, 10:24 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Not equally evil, because antifa seeks to stop fascism before it starts. We have no idea what kind of government antifa would institute. But yes both are wrong because they are too violent and lawless.

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Yes they are. So yeah, I think Hitler/Mussulini/Mao/Stalin/Khmer Rouge are all equally evil.

Yes, those 5 are. But antifa is not those guys/

Reports may have been wrong about what happened in Berkeley this week. My friend Teed and others there said otherwise.

quote from his facebook post:

Teed Rockwell This time around there was no property damage by the black block, and most sources say no physical attacks on people (although there was a lot of shouts and threats.)
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Nancy P. Stork NPR said the man you mention was assaulted.
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Susa Morgan Black In the news story this morning, it showed liberals refusing to join Antifa because of their violence. My group stayed on campus because we didn't want to be part of the violent confrontation.
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Artemisia Barden I saw the anarchist black bloc of anti-fascists *escorting* white supremacists (including a guy wearing an Identity Europa T-shirt) over to the police. Without touching them. In cases where there were skirmishes, I suspect it depended on whether thealt-Reich led off being violent - the black bloc seemed pretty restrained. The one press guy (Somerville) who went off about them was taking pictures of them against their expressed wish for him not to. And yes Teed, no property damage.

"In the news story this morning, it showed liberals refusing to join Antifa because of their violence. My group stayed on campus because we didn't want to be part of the violent confrontation."

Uh, please read the above again. I think Antifa is evil ... because of their violence. 

PS.  Wrt Berkely riots, the property damage was in the winter.





Hmmm...... I think your buddy has been smoking some mother nature to miss this.


Yet another MSM awakes!





#NoMoreMasks.

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Rags ---  "Woke" all along.  

Philosophical question - what does "Never Again" mean and how do we make it more than just an inane platitude?

This "Alt-Right" / Duginist / Eurasianist / Traditionalist thing has been brewing now for years. They got their guy into the WH. They were proclaiming "Hail Trump." They have their modernized "Juden Rous!" Sure, it's free speech. But again, how do we put teeth into "Never Again."

The answer may not be compatible with 1st Amendment norms. The answer may be a paradox. In order to prevent a particularly terrible kind of violence, we may need to be violent. It would be hoped that legal mechanisms can impart such violence in a measured manner, knowing exactly when enough is enough. Antifa don't trust this. I don't blame them. Thus far the system has done nothing to push back the Fourth Reich or whatever title one wants to use. So, is it moral to jump to the Extra Legal route now? How early is too early? When ought the Jews have started to go all "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels" on the Nazi scum? 1933? 1936?

Again, commies and nazis are equal in historical bloodshed.  How can anyone support either ideology?

So, what are the objectives of "Duganists" ?  How, and tell me exactly how the objectives of antifa are any better.

The antifa thugs want a red revolution. These are for real Stalinists reds, commies, everything the Cold War was "fought" over. I think you have the money to emigrate to countries that have the end result of said red revolutionaries. I think we can set up a gofundme to pay for free one way tickets for the thugs to have the joy of living in their revolutionary ends.  Venezuela and Cuba are fine places where our thugs can commiserate with their comrades.   Jews?  OK, how about equal opportunity killing [the list of regimes I listed].  Which is worse?
You tell me over targeted killing.  The overall principle is mob rule vs. letting the state have the monopoly of force.
Morality:  Violence is never correct.  All you get with that route is something as bad as or worse new boss, instead of the old boss.  "Extra Legal" = down the rabbit hole of perdition.  You propose nothing in the way of civilization,
Mob rule shall at sometime occur, I assure you.  When it does, the night time of a new dark age shall arise from the ashes.

I'll take a forced one way ticket for myself to emigrate to Russia over those hellholes.