09-25-2017, 05:07 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-26-2017, 09:20 AM by Bob Butler 54.)
Cutting down as I can on the stripe count...
That's a decent synopsis of how values work. If an idea doesn't mesh with what you already believe, you find an excuse not to listen or understand.
Of course he his a politician. As soon as he declared himself and started entering primaries, he was a politician. Hiring half the swamp was gravy.
Obscenity?
The unraveling memes include more for the military, less for Americans, more for the wealthy, and less taxes overall. It is a mess involving several sorts of balancing values, which makes finding a balance worse than awkward. While the wealthy are creating an extreme imbalance of wealth, running out of money isn't the foremost problem.
Of course, values will make it nigh on impossible for some to listen. Most nations work well with variations of what you call socialism. I've done well enough under both Romneycare and Obamacare. Reality does not seem capable of getting in the way of what you feel like saying, so I mostly expect you to keep saying it. I might be wrong. You are capable of throwing away failures. Trump will have to fail really convincingly first, though. That could take a while.
You do have strong values, which in many ways is great, but you do tend to try to project them absurdly. Try to listen to yourself.
Still, utter inconsistency isn't the best part of your act.
You really think that? This is what I mean by having unusual values and trying to project them as truth. We could stand more off the wall opinions, but people should know when they are off the wall.
You are closer to Thoreau than you know, if allergic to the trappings, thus unable to comprehend his ideas. "That government is best which governs least..."
But I find the premise questionable. I've looked enough at great apes and their governing structures to expect, leaders, territories, tribes, etc... They lack the language needed to go as far with it as humans, but I seriously doubt mankind's primordial state was anarchy. Basing a political system on a convenient lie is problematic. Like it or not, we are a political species. The question is how to force the elites to respect the needs and wants of every man.
We will have to see...
(09-24-2017, 09:51 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. But I will say this about Thoreau, I have always found his works to be rather insipid, but then again Fredrick Douglas has always resonated with me more strongly than any of the trancendentalists who mostly scribbled what looks like woo-woo on the level that Eric posts every day.
That's a decent synopsis of how values work. If an idea doesn't mesh with what you already believe, you find an excuse not to listen or understand.
(09-24-2017, 09:51 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: I did describe them accurately, and it also applies to the current crop of Dims too. As for populist politicans, actually I haven't. Daddy isn't a politician which is why the Swamp hates him.
Of course he his a politician. As soon as he declared himself and started entering primaries, he was a politician. Hiring half the swamp was gravy.
(09-24-2017, 09:51 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: I'm going to "flame" whomever I choose to, for whatever reason I choose too. If that hurts your fee fees I don't care. Fuck your fee fees!
As for banning...I'm not interested in banning anyone unless they're up on the forum posting tons of spam or porn or something.
Obscenity?
(09-24-2017, 09:51 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: This is a failure to understand basic economics that I assume Warren will bring up at some point. Let me put it simply. More people have to be working and paying taxes to pay for what we have now. Otherwise it will collapse. Socialism is inherently unstable, eventually you always run out of other people's money.
The unraveling memes include more for the military, less for Americans, more for the wealthy, and less taxes overall. It is a mess involving several sorts of balancing values, which makes finding a balance worse than awkward. While the wealthy are creating an extreme imbalance of wealth, running out of money isn't the foremost problem.
Of course, values will make it nigh on impossible for some to listen. Most nations work well with variations of what you call socialism. I've done well enough under both Romneycare and Obamacare. Reality does not seem capable of getting in the way of what you feel like saying, so I mostly expect you to keep saying it. I might be wrong. You are capable of throwing away failures. Trump will have to fail really convincingly first, though. That could take a while.
(09-24-2017, 09:51 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Great, we have another who can't come up with an original argument. Back to your papal bull meme again. When it comes to my view of PBR it is formed off of his statements and his actions. Is my interpretation of those statements and actions influenced by my world view? Yes, but whose isn't? Certainly not yours.
You do have strong values, which in many ways is great, but you do tend to try to project them absurdly. Try to listen to yourself.
(09-24-2017, 09:51 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: As Philip Johnson said: The first complete sentence out of my mouth was probably that line about consistency being the hobgoblin of small minds.
Still, utter inconsistency isn't the best part of your act.
(09-24-2017, 09:51 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Are you stupid? Government is force, it has always been force, and always will be force. The main difference between a state's government and the mafia is that the government on occasion throws a public popularity contest where as the mafia has no need for such extravagances.
You really think that? This is what I mean by having unusual values and trying to project them as truth. We could stand more off the wall opinions, but people should know when they are off the wall.
(09-24-2017, 09:51 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Man in his primordial state is in a state of anarchy. Indeed I'd go so far as to say that anarchy is man's natural state, and wanting to have civilization yet remain as close to the natural state as possible I have slowly, accepted that minarchism is a requirement to maintain civilization.
You are closer to Thoreau than you know, if allergic to the trappings, thus unable to comprehend his ideas. "That government is best which governs least..."
But I find the premise questionable. I've looked enough at great apes and their governing structures to expect, leaders, territories, tribes, etc... They lack the language needed to go as far with it as humans, but I seriously doubt mankind's primordial state was anarchy. Basing a political system on a convenient lie is problematic. Like it or not, we are a political species. The question is how to force the elites to respect the needs and wants of every man.
We will have to see...
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.