06-17-2016, 12:57 PM
(06-17-2016, 06:28 AM)taramarie Wrote:(06-17-2016, 06:04 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:(06-16-2016, 11:33 PM)taramarie Wrote:(06-16-2016, 01:54 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:It is a type of rebellion though. It was the world view before the consciousness revolution. It was what you first experienced till you struck out on your own and developed your own view of the world around you and abandoned some ideas that you first experienced. Ok, if you do not think that is true then why are you so against materialism? You mention it all the time as if you despise it. Which is what led me to wonder if it is to do with your early years before the boomer rebellion against the materialistic worldview of the GI's. A rebellion is thinking and acting differently than the parental generation after all. It is disagreement.(06-16-2016, 01:15 PM)taramarie Wrote: Bingo. Just as i thought. He hates materialism because it is a rebellion against his parents generation. I suppose with certain things I say reminds him of his GI parents and their generation and probably the Lost generation too. Kinser must make him shiver even more as kinser is even more of a materialist than I am.
You just love to read things into what I say that aren't there.
It was during the consciousness revolution, though on my own, that I "experienced" something and had an awakening that affected my worldview. Before that it was not what I experienced, but what I absorbed and assumed from what was available to my mind. It was always my own ideas. I didn't "strike out" on my own; it was a clearer experience of reality that changed my worldview.
I tend to be against materialism, but recognize it as part of human experience and my experience. I now look on it as part of the philosophers wheel. It is a tendency within our being; the lower chakras or the roots of the tree of life. In moderation it has its place.
Materialism is the dominant philosophy or default worldview of educated people today. As such it is the source of problems and limitations today which we need to see beyond in order to progress. We need now to see the world as alive, not as solid billliard balls knocking each other around. Materialism taken to its logical extreme is a philosophy of death. It reduces life to mechanics and sees the world as composed of solid, separate things. It reduces ourselves and life to objects for our use, and denies free will, mystery and miracles.
This is NOT talking as if I "despise materialism." It is just simply and plainly, the facts of the matter, so to speak. Materialism is what it is; you can't soft-pedal it or cover up for it. You do have a tendency to talk in an insulting way, and draw false conclusions that justify your own anger.
How is it a source of our problems? This was not to justify anger. This was to try to understand you.
The answer to that is in the above. We need to expand consciousness and life, in ourselves, others and the world, and see it as sacred and alive, in order to keep it alive. A philosophy of death is obviously an obstacle to all that. There is more in heaven and earth than is dreamt of in that philosophy. Our minds need to be open to it, so all the resources of the spirit are available to us. Extreme materialism cuts people off from their very selves; their very spirit. Even my signature line answers your question. We need to be able to see a better day, and keep the spirit alive.